Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | August 10, 2007

2007-08: The Arsenal Preview

It seems that a mere couple of weeks has passed since the end of the 2006-07 season, limping into the close season for Arsenal in much the same manner that the forward line did from February onwards. The coming season though is lurching toward us with optimism and pessimism slugging it out amongst the support. Personally, I hope optimism takes note of the words of Muhammed Ali when fighting Richard Dunn in 1976, “I saw this chin walking towards me in the centre of the ring, so I hit it”. In the back of my mind I have a doubt this was actually said, perhaps it’s an Urban Legend but the sentiment stands.

So what of 2007-08? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; unless Arsenal attract a smidgen more than their fair share of luck, second is a realistic outcome for the coming season. That does not preclude a certain Lady smiling benignly in the direction of The Emirates, indeed she may be doing so already if injury reports from West London are anything to go by. Certainly, if nothing else, they are getting a taste of the situation Arsenal faced last season.

Back to Arsenal. The squad is a year on, experience wise and that counts for an awful lot in the Premiership game. The talent has rarely been in question, more the mental strength has been the source of concern. Yet when the questions are asked, the answers given always missed the point somewhat. Yes, we failed at places such as Fulham and Sheffield United, grounds where Champions and Challengers do not fail on a regular basis. But the inclusion of words along the lines of ‘they were kids what do you expect’ always did them a disservice. There has been only one instance of ‘kids’ being held up for inspection on the big stage yet even then they were never faced with the adversity of the current Arsenal squad. I cannot recall a squad in thirty five years of watching football that has been put under pressure for such a sustained spell and definitely one where the replacements have been young players who have held onto a fourth spot in the top flight, once by fortune, once deservedly. Add in two finals, one where we were undone by a (correct) refereeing decision, once by a loyalty to the players who had achieved reaching the final. No-one takes these harsh lessons into account, that they have given the players more than the physical two seasons of experience. Rarely on the football field has growing up in public been that ‘painful’.

Much of the attention on the new campaign is on the new signings, how Eduardo is no replacement for Henry. The truth is that he is not meant to be his replacement. Henry’s departure has to be the catalyst for a new way of playing, a new mental focus. No longer is there one single player upon whom reliance can be placed; they all have to chip in. No longer can sloppy goals be conceded with the hope that a moment of magic can bring about a change in fortunes, not that for 2007 that existed anyway; more concentration at the back is necessary. The pre-season has shown signs that both of these capabilities exist but it is not certain, not the finished product that a dominant team requires. Yet still you cannot say that they will not adhere to that sort of mantra, only that the perception is that they won’t.

As a squad, it is however the older hands who have a large part to play. In the spine of the team, there is a requirement for Lehmann, Toure, Gallas and Gilberto to lead by example, to ensure that they concentrate. Many people, myself included, were surprised Gallas was handed the Captain’s Armband but maybe that is what he needed; perhaps to draw the best out of the man, he had to have responsibility thrust upon him. His performances indicated that this is what may happen. Moreover, it gives the defence a focal point, enabling one of the centre backs to become dominant in organisation which is perhaps something that was missing last season.

Individually, the three of them are amongst the top players in their positions, in the Division. As a unit, they were found wanting last Season. The introduction of Sagna may enhance that trio as he looks more solid defensively at Right Back than either Hoyte or Eboue were. Clichy on the other side, is coming on leaps and bounds. He is at a similar stage that Cole was four or five years ago, well on the way to becoming one of the best left backs in World Football. Certainly, his part in RvP’s goal in Amsterdam showed maturity in his passing and from a similar position earlier in the game, he showed a decent willingness and ability to force the opposition custodian to work to prevent a goal.

At set pieces though, there are justifiable concerns about the marking. Huntelaar and Suazo both got some return out of Gallas when challenging him in the air but it has to be said, not on every ball and it is difficult to assess a player fully in what is effectively a glorified training session. In each game, a striker is going to get a chance, win a header or two. It is up to Gallas and Toure to ensure that their positional sense overcomes any aerial disadvantage that they may have.

In midfield, the concern is that there is a lack of width. Whilst there is some merit in this, to have an out-and-out winger now would change the dynamic of the Arsenal set-up. Certainly, it would be good to have that option if a tactical change is needed but there are plenty of players in the Arsenal midfield who have the ability to deliver from wide positions. The fluidity of forwards in the modern era also negates the requirement for a specialist wide player although if a Robert Pires Mark II were to become available then you can be pretty certain that Arsene would accommodate him. Yet therein lies the problem; a wide player at Arsenal needs to be a Pires, someone who can comfortably move inside leaving space for others.

Equally, there is another way of looking at the problem. van Persie and seemingly Eduardo are comfortable operating on the wing so if they occupy that position, the problem is getting the bodies in the box to latch onto a cross or loose ball. That to me has been a fundamental flaw until now, a willingness to hang back on the edge of the area when you needed an almost Platt-esque run to take the chance of connecting. There were signs that this may be coming to fruition towards the tale end of last season and during the pre-season we seemed to have players in abundance at times in the opposing penalty area. Crucial though for this to work is the delivery. To be honest some of the quality of delivery from wide positions and set-pieces has been inadequate; allowing others to take set pieces, particularly Rosicky, from the left brought about a marked improvement in the pre-season, the timing of runs needs to be worked on now.

A change in positioning brought the best out of Alexander Hleb recently so that is another option, particularly for away games. Essentially a 4-5-1, whatever fancy titles pundits may put on it, this gives a more solid look to the defence when required. Attacking wise, his distribution was a step up from being played out on the wing. By no means is it certain he will occupy that role either. If Arsene feels more adventurous, then van Persie can play that role equally as well as that of a lone striker. Rosicky can be placed there as well which gives more than the 4-4-2 we were too often left with last season due to injury.

Perhaps though the major area for concern is goals. Last year chances went begging that should have been buried. This has to be a blip, Arsenal simply cannot afford such profligacy in front of goal in 2007-08. At the outset, the three main strikers must have a target of fifteen Premiership goals each; add in five from Bendtner, that takes you to fifty. A title-winning side will score in the region of eighty goals, leaving the rest of the squad to come up with thirty. That total does not seem unreasonable but it requires more decisiveness from the midfield. You cannot rule out passing to a better placed colleague but more often than not, the opening seven months of last season saw the pass as the route to go; selfishness in front of goal needs to be developed, certain players will have to work harder at this than others.

All in all, this season though does not fill me with the apprehension that others hold. The team is vibrant, brought about by a mixture of youth and confidence in their own technical ability. Transferring that to the pitch is a tough job but one that these players are eminently capable of achieving. With that, anything might be possible. Yet I still think gaining the twenty odd points to overhaul both Chelsea and United will be one step too far for 2007-08; 2008-09? Now there’s a different story.

As Muhammad Ali said, ‘He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life’. Let’s hope that the coming rollercoaster ride shows such bravery from those in an Arsenal shirt.

Responses

“All in all, this season though does not fill me with the apprehension that others hold. “…..come on you can better that

Well, I agree with you alot on this article. Actually, my prediction is this:

1.Winning the premiership, will be a pleasant surprise! 2.Fourth place again will be failure!
3.Second or third is more like it.
4.We’ll definitely pick a trophy somewhere, FA or even Carling.
5.A quarter or semi-final finish in Champions’ League
6.2008-09? Am seeing a double (or even trebble)! I believe playing 4 years together should give rise to a new generation of invincibles! Only that their young age should allow them to dominate England a little longer!

And am on record with this! Feel free to email me in May to pass on your congratulations messages!!!

Agree with Tonnex. Wenger said this team is better then the invincibles. Can you imagine the havoc they will cause?

I too am surprised that Gallas got the armband, rewarded for slagging the manager off? strange, but he is French and that’s the third consecutive Frenchman to get the captains role.

Should have gone to Gilberto, I hope it doesn’t affect him.

Enough said on that one. I have no predictions regarding the season ahead, but if we play like we did against Milan and Ajax we won’t be far away, and all that crap about pre season games don’t matter, can you imagine what would have been said had we lost them all.

We played Milan off the pitch and they played ManU off the pitch, so I think we could be the surprise package.

Tottenham, don’t make me laugh! every year they’re going to pip us, every year! Wankers.

I think we can afford to be very optimistic and excited about our prospects this season. I am not one for singing the praises of the press…but the following are excellent articles

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/08/09/dont_mention_the_hword_as_van.html

http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article2851400.ece

…so credit where credit is due.

I feel better for this upcoming season than last season. Maybe it was because at the beginning of last season, we just lost (or did not win) the European Cup Final. It hurt. It still does.

This season, the players are in better shape, no World Cup hangovers or injuries. I hope Gilberto comes back as if he never left - ie ready and raring to go. No rustiness in his bones.

Captaincy of the Club is important, though not as important than leadership. You need not be a captain to show leadership. There can only be one captain, but you can have many leaders on the pitch at the same time. Let’s hope Gallas, Gilberto, Fabregas, Toure and Lehmann will strut their leadership stuff when it matters.

Roll on 2007-08. At good odds of 12-1, even at 10-1, I am putting my money on us!

Two things mark our relative failure last season. Firstly while noone had more shots on target than us (226) other than ManU we scored with 28% of them and ManU scored with 32%. Match that at the right time and another 10 goals or so over the season will have an impact. Secondly we need to field our first choice defenders often enough (at least 80%) and in their natural positions to improve defensive performance. Simple really but impossible without Lady Luck looking over your shoulder for a fair amount of the time.

Well balanced preview. I’m not thrilled at the choice of Gallas for captain but I don’t think it has anything to do with his nationality. He is one of the senior players in the squad and maybe the responsibility of leading the team will bring out the best in him and channel his comments into a more constructive avenue. Fortunately Gilberto and Kolo are grown ups and I’m sure they will just get on with their jobs regardless.

do we ever going to sign a winger before transfer window close?

Fair comment but surely we all think every season we will win? Okay, blind followers do,(I am one) But the bones tell me this year will be a really good year. I don’t expect the CL but premiership yes i really do. This team is really gelling together, and with an escape of injuries we have the ability to succeed. A double would be my outside chance, but cup games are notorious for upsets, Northampton comes to mind. Amos pointed out our chances on goal, we have the players to reverse those lost opportunities and I feel we will.

I’m getting the same feeling as 2004. Could it be the return of the invincibles again?? u betcha !!!!! COME ON U GUNNERSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

Cover for Left back and Left Wing are important…Wenger may shift hoyte or gallas to LB if required..same he cud do with diaby or eboue for left wing..but askingly for replacement for reyes freddie and cashley isnt too much..but i am sure wenger is not buying now so lets move on…

i have always maintained we dont need to beat manus and chealsea all the time..thats not our problem..our problem is beating lesser teams ..and consistency..getting that killer edge..which ronaldo had last season and we had during invincibles era..that it is our right to win and no one dare come on to us …will we get that killer instinct…that comes with pride and hunger…i hope we show both…

also is important to have confidence..we shud be mentally thinking we are no less than anyone…sometimes negativity in media can let us think that..i think thats what got to henry..and earlier to gallas.. apart from team confidence..each individual shud have confidence..confidence to take chance..make difference ..confidence of a winner..

i think now its question of motivation…we have to turn on…we have what we have…may be half the number that others have..but lets go there and kick some serious ass..less stand up and be counted..lets do it..and fuck all and sundry..the media..the rivals..the spenders..the ex players..almost everybody…come on arsenal..glory for the gunners…in Arsene We trust…and only he knows….

Absolutely right Old Timer.

That’s what it is all about.

Dave Bowen on his arse in the mud, Peterborough, Wrexham etc. We deserve these last few years don’t we?

A few on these blogs unfortunately don’t realise how lucky we are now.

Arsenals transfer for Drenthe is still pending, and due to this fact the bid is to be withdrawn as time is of the essence; talks have already begun regarding Fiorentina’s Riccardo Montolivo, he’s is tipped to be the next Totti (classy kid (22) ) and is valued at around 12m. Deal to be closed by Sundays kick off

Max.

The fleet street hacks never give us a chance at this time of year and if the majority of them had average results with their predictions then we will finish behind the usual suspects plus the Spuds, Man city, Newcastle, West Ham and Bolton, I certainly would not copy their lottery numbers but instead I enjoy reading or listening to their comments as the season unfolds and am yet to see humble pie being ate. Add this year a plethora of ex Arsenal player pundits throwing their lot in with the hacks and we will most likely be in the Championship by Xmas.
The fleet street fairy godmother must be a Spuds supporter!
At 12/1 my money has been placed and now it’s time to enjoy the season and reach for the pins to poke in the efigy fleet street dolls .

the main worry is the ANC, and injuries to RVP at that time, it would leave us with Dudu, Bentner, and Walcott not very inspiring.

Champions 2007-2008 in Europe and in Premier league… Ole !

Excellent preview YW.

I couldn’t agree more about the delivery from set pieces. Too many times last year (and in previous years) we failed to beat the first man from corners. Sadly that was still in evidence during pre-season, though it does seem to be improving

OUT
———–
Jeremie Aliadiere
Thierry Henry
Freddie Ljungberg
Arturo Lupoli
Fabrice Muamba
Mart Poom
Jose Antonio Reyes

IN

da silva
sanga
fabinski

ALL in all a dissapointing transfer season .
too loose bapista and then get no replacements
for reyes its the same as loosing 3 midfeilders and 3 attacking players and replace them with 1 attacking player and 1 defender- im trying to wonder why you are all getting so inspired by the past 2 months .. or years for that matter.
it works out even with no additional funding from the club, that we still have 15 million to spend on strengthening our team !
yet arsene isnt bringing in any fresh talent . all you baffoons who are chanting in arsene we trust, not sure how many more seasons your going to fall for this banter .
not to mention that the wage budget since freddie and henry has gone must be looking like a championship wage budget NOT A PREMIERSHIP budget.

Also gallas was made captain as it might be the same bait waved infront of him that henry got to stop him from leaving
(or an attempt to do so ) it would be a bit hard for gallas now to come up with some negative comments about the clubs leaders and their desisions since he’s been installed into the position .
It all makes sence to me .

Ethan Gooner please rename yourself to Ethan_spurs

At last the football is about to start Ethan. It is on the pitch that matters.

Interesting that Djourou has gone on loan to Brum until January.

That is a real surprise. It will do him good because all that he needs is to be a bit more aggresive & use his physique to his advantage. I really think he has everything to be a truely outstanding player.

Where does this leave us though?

Either someone is coming in or Gilberto may be penciled in as an emergency CB. Sagna looks too short to me as a regular CB.

Djourou to birmingam i do not agree..we are already thin in almost every dept except right back and central midfiled and i see no necessity for him to be loaned..imagine if one of CB get injured and senderos cud loose the form.. we need a back up..plus we are short in left back what if clichy gets injured..and gallas is asked to play for him..shudnt we have CB cover then..i dont think we have luxury of sending our 3rd choice player on loan..this decision along with gallas captaincy has really surprised me..please dont sell gilberto we need some consistency with players..cannot win league win with almost all new players..though i dont believe he wud be leaving..

ADC agree with you , this is so risky, the season make lees sense as it gets nearer to kick off. We have to hope there are no injuries at left back or centre back between now and January and that Djouru will come back ready to be a first team regular.

If Song plays at CB we might as well forget even finishing fourth.

Defensive Cover is short; CB has Senderos, Gilberto and, possibly, Hoyte whilst Hoyte and Flamini would cover LB.

At the end of the day though, AW will not have allowed Djourou to go on loan if he did not believe there was sufficient cover at the Club

YW

wenger is an idiot full stop, just when you thought how dumb it was to make gallas captain, he ships out Djourou, defies belief what is going on!!!! just watched the interview on arsenal .com and anyone who thinks players are coming in are living in gaga land. on sunday we will see flamini in the centre, helb up front and eboue on the wing. and that with only two players out, what the hell is going to happen when the anc is going on and the injuries kick in. what gabage!!! and before i get slagged off surely no one can be satisfied with the the squad that is starting this season and can be feel after the end of last season when wenger admitted it wasn’t good enough and that he was going to bring in super players (even before TH left) that he has done enough to address last years problems.

Positives in Djouro going on loan are that the loan is initially only until january so he’s back before the ANC; Bruce was a half decent back himself so JD can benefit from the experience and playing time; we do not play Brum this side of the loan period but Brum play Chelsea, ManU, Liverpool and Spurs in that time so it suits us for them to be a strong as they can for that time at least.

all poitives Amos, however how about the fact that we have so few players already and that he is better than senderos

Barring injuries we have enough defensive cover until the ANC. As for Djourou being better than Senderos that is just a matter of opinion and one clearly not shared by Wenger.

shock, utd have just signed Tevez, now there is a novel idea, why not try sign good players that will make you better than you already are, but hey who needs top class forwards when you have Adebayor, Bedtner and my personal favourite Helb playing behind the forward!!!! certainly the goals will be flying in from them!!!

I take it you’re not impressed then dan? Let’s see what the season brings eh!

amos, correct on both accounts. hopefully my natural pessimism will be unfounded. But if I see Flaimini playing infont diaby, and helb in front of eduardo i will kill myself before the game starts!!!

So that will be another thing to add to the checklist before leaving on Sunday:

Wallet, check; Membership Card, check; Wreath…

You are going to look a bit daft if you kill yourself and we win 6-0… best do it after the game

which ever you slice it, it is not pretty. we should have done more i the transfer market. my mate works for arsenal’s auditors and saw the board minutes from a few weeks ago. in it they said they had 24 mill to spend on new playesr and even joked that they needed to remind wenger of that money. when i hear things like that i truly believe that wenger is not acting in the clubs best interests as we clearly do no have a good enough squad to win the big prizes and i do not understand why we all have suddenly become accepting of the fact that it is ok to fight for fourth and a cup run, why can’t we realistically be fighting the premiership.

frank, you right i wouldn’t want to miss helb’s first arsenal hat trick!!!!

I don’t accept that we do not have a good enough squad to win the premiership. No we have’nt, yes we have, no we have’nt yes we have……..is just not going to work is it. We have to wait and see. Personally I am relishing the prospect of the new season and can’t wait for Sunday…but then I haven’t been blessed with the ability to see the looming disaster that some are predicting.

i admire your optimism, not sure how a team who was 21 points behind last year, can compete, when the the others have strenthened so much and we have gone backwards. but hey you never know.

Senderos looked much more solid in pre-season. The combinations of Senderos-Kolo and Senderos-Gallas in the PSG game worked quite well too. Let both kids learn some more, with Senderos understudying Kolo/Gallas and Djourou playing first-team football at Birmingham. The latter will come back all ready when Kolo and Eboue go away for African Cup of Nations in January.

So we’ll see this as our backline during ACN:
Sagna (Hoyte as backup)
Senderos (Djourou)
Gallas (Gilberto? and Sagna)
Clichy (Traore)

And pray these guys stay injury-free!

Speaking of which, hope Eduardo will come back from his minor ankle problem soon enough to make his league debut against Fulham:
http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=480115&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Eduardo+facing+fitness+test+ahead+of+Fulham+game

If he can’t go it’d probably give us some idea that in case Adebayor and Eduardo are injured, how Bendtner/Hleb/Rosicky may work with RvP up front.

Well it is really about learning to play as a team rather than shipping in individuals. The team has matured as a unit. The fact that we have not made too many changes is probably a benefit.

We also have a home fortress this season, whereas last season with the new stadium and pitch we surrendered hom advantage.

I think that TH was a negative influence last year…and now he is not.

It is also about the nature of those 21 points, in the vast majority of cases (one or two exceptions) when we dropped points the team could have won. We also performed very well against teams in the top half of the table and got the points.

Our squad is not afraid of playing against good players and teams in fact they relish it so I am not too concerned about buying policies of other teams.

We had some pretty horrible injuries last year to key players. I think we have cover this year.

All in all though the players seem to have a quiet confidence about them, and seem to want to play for each other, Band of Brothers style if that is not too dramatic.

I am guessing but I also think that AW signing a new deal will be announced soon and will be a great boost.

Saying your comments Dan be great to make you eat your words. A balls not been kicked in this season and your already laying down dead. Come on tell the truth are you really an Arsenal supporter. You sound like the old lady on the Frankie Howard show,(ask your dad about it) Doom Doom Doom.

Anybody who slates Arsene saying silly things like ‘he doesnt have the best interests of the club at heart’ or ‘he is an idiot’ has clearly only been supporting Arsenal for the last 10 years tops….

If any of you can remember back further than that - you would be more grateful for the fact that Wenger has revolutionised our club from top to bottom.

Remember - in the 80’s - Spurs were a better team than us - look now!

We should all appreciate what we have - and be optimistic about the new season - support your team!

And if you dont want to - then go and be a glory boy and support Chelsea or Man U - because i wont miss fans like you.

HEAR HEAR HEAR Well said.

you can not go in to the season saying “if we don’t have injuries we will alright” injuries are part of the game, successful teams play 60 games a year and no one can play them all. it is all about having a mass of good enough players. If we lose Fab or RVP for any peiod of time we are screwed. Not sure how you can say we have better cover than last year, when numerically we have lost more players than have come in. From the 1st team squad, we lost, TH, Fred, Ali, Bap, Djourou and have gained Ed/Bac and Bentdner (who wenger encouragingly says is not yet ready for premiership football!!!). so we have less numbers. as for them being a year older, theyare three months older not a year older, walcott and denilson are still boys as they were in may. i do agree that the TH affect will be beneficial and that there does seem to be certain unity about them that seemed lacking last year. however why argue that they don’t need a few more players when you know it’s true, i promise you will you can still be a great fan and have doubts at the same time!!!!

21 points does seem a big margin to breach in one season but for a view on how the season might have looked if decisions had gone the way they perhaps should and could have done then take a look at http://www.rightresult.net/

Ten points doesn’t look at daunting does it - then again maybe even more decisions could go against us this season - who can tell. That’s the wonder of football.

matt,

i have been going to arsenal for over 30 years, travelled all around england and europe to see them. you are right in that the last 10 years we have been spoiled, i had to wait 17 years to see my first trophy, the liverpool league cup in 1987, so have seen it and been there for the crap times. the point is why harp on about 20 years ago when when we were crap, it is not relevant anymore. it is about now, and this season and i don’t care how much you say you are happy with the sitaution any arsenal fan wants them to win everything (not expects) and we should do, we were the best team in the country only a few years ago and in my humble opinion which i am perfectly entitled to the squad is way too weak in number and quality. honestly matt is the state of the squad what you had hoped it would be from the end of last season? no lying? are you happy going in to the game tomrrow with flamini playing or helb playing of the lone forward (at home to FULHAM!!!!)? is that good enough for you? if it is then good luck to you, personally paying all that money i expect more.

amos, the previous year we were 24 points behind, see a trend there? the table doesn’t lie, we were out of it by september, in fact we were never in it.

Dan,

Nay, nay and thrice nay. As ‘old timer’ might say. I am not going through all the permutations for cover. The najor problem last year was the loss of fowrads and we have five this year. JA and JB did not make it did they. The players out are not a real loss..take away a negaitive and you get a positive. I know everyone reckons that TH was the team and without him we are nothing, but I don’t agree. Especially after last season. If AW wishes to buy a player he will but has pretty exacting criteria and doe’snt see an urgent need which is good enough for me.

Did you not think that my other points were worthy of comment.

I would add that AW and the team have had a chance to train together for many weeks this pre-season as well as play some pretty demanding games. Different to last season when prep time was zero in William Gallas’ case.

Don’t go to the game tomorrow Dan.

No matter what the pessimists say, let’s remember we’re Arsenal SUPPORTers. We SUPPORT the team, thick or thin, players in or out, resourceful or cash-strapped. Arsenal deserves more than partial/selective support.

AND we’re not blind. We have valid reasons to stay optimistic. The guys did well in pre-season beating quality opponents, the only thing we’ve seen to go by so far, while some of our main rivals didn’t.

As much as we may feel worried about the potential scenario if injuries struck, our rivals face just the same risks, even though they may seem to have a bigger squads on paper. See what’s happening across town and you know it’s not entirely about money.

Our squad might seem a bit thin if we were to have a go at a double/treble/quadruple. But at this point, with improving support behind the team at the new stadium, the Premiership and a decent run in one of the cups sounds like a reasonable target. :)

frank, we had 5 fowards last year, and yes JB and JA didn’t make it but they still played lots of games, that is the point even forgetting the ANC there will be injuries it always happens. look for sunday we have one injury only and there is fair chance helb will play forward, he won’t even play bendtner as he says he is not ready and he is one of the four he has, i would rather see walcott play up front, but he will not play him either. wenger can not have it both ways and say the kids are good enough and then when a player in injured play someone else out of postion, ie helb, gilberto. i completely agree about TH it was time for him to go and we will be better off without him. as for not going don’t be silly, if i didn’t care so much i wouldn’t get so wound up!!!

Sorry Dan I was not being rude…just pointing out that the game is not on tomorrow. On Sunday will you be killing yourself in the Stadium or outside? Between the cannons could be quite picturesque but it might frighten the kids.

frank,

i also agree that wenger looks like he will be signing a new contract soon. (but my views on that will stay with me, as i have been abused enough today!!!) i would like to see how we do this year before i comment on that.

Don’t take it to heart Dan. We all hope you will be grinning from ear to ear on Sunday evening for all the right reasons. Good luck.

we will speak on monday, hopefully happy as pie. enjoy the game. If he picks flamini think of me going balistic.

Dan we need you the same as we need every supporter somewhere between me the old and stupid and the Doom gloom we will be right. At the end of the day I can say I told you so and know you like me will be cheering the great the mighty the team COME ON YOU GUNNERS. (Istill remember the terrible years the 50’s oh dear dear me

amen to that.

Chill! We’re all excited to see the season’s finally starting. But it’s not like we’re playing a top team this Sunday.

And I like how The Right Result table shows that Spurs “should” actually have finished 10th place should the major ref decisions were made right. Heheheheeee
http://www.rightresult.net/

fulham have recruited well this season. but do you really think it will be a test???
your all talking about ‘now its time to play’ SURE AS FAR AS POINTS ON THE BOARD ARE CONSERNED the race starts .. But
if we are going into this game as underdogs then your sadly mistaken .. we are 7/2 on at the bookies . So anything short of a win , is unacceptable. 2 factors we need to strive for are beating the top 4 (spuds-liverpoo-mancs-chevz) and maintain a good healthly goal talley .
we should not loose our composure against fulham , and i expect a win .. the test will come september 15th Vs spurs.. and the following month after that Vs liverpool . for a top 4 club that yogi reminded us of ..
its unacceptable to pencil in anything other than a win on sunday…Hopefully the lads already realize they cannot repeat last season loosing to inferior sides .. im sure arsene has addressed that issue. The key this season is to win against the top 4 ..
im just hoping arsene will sign another 1 or 2 players , im just praying he’s going to access how well we function in the next game or 2 in the EPL and add the players after
his foundings are completed.

But as is .. i cant see a top 4 birth ..
talking top 2 is absolutely ludicris.

YW
also please dont add ‘mantra’ into the next blog ..
i know its the buzz word of the week , but try to show some restrain’t :)

ps: gilberto had 4 weeks holiday and missed all pre season and wont be playing until at least september (unless juv buys him) so i s’pose gallas was named due to gilberto being out for such a long period .. it also must be a french thing !!!

I am with Dan, I think we have a squad that can get 4th but Injuries have already highlighted the need for another Striker, and that is not forgetting the real need for a Winger.

I dont see Fulham being a concern at the weekend, but we are in a position now where if we lost VP11 for even a game then we would be in trouble. We have 6 games in 3 weeks including the Champions League qualifier and I will be surprised if we dont get an injury in that time.

Wenger has come out with his annual ‘I do not feel the need to add to the Squad’ and he feels we are strong enough to challenge, I believed him 2 years ago when he said it, was sceptical this time last year when he repeated it, but for me this year I have tried but just dont believe him.

push comes to shove my personal opinion is that he his gambling with the long term future of this club in not strengthening and whilst I would love him to prove me wrong I just cant see it.

I have said it many times this Summer, we have the money so how can buying the likes of Wright-Phillips or Quaresma and Anelka or Martins not be a benefit to the Club, for gods sake we are so close to a Title challenging squad it is untrue but we need the final pieces. The Players are out there but he is not interested, sometimes I wonder if his ego of bringing in unknowns gets in the way of the bigger picture.

wonder if bendtner will play if Edu does not. will Hleb play behind RVP instead? I expect dudu to play though.

Are you pessimists doing a relay thing here..working a shift a system?

thought you had gone for the weekend frank!!!! wenger’s comments today hardly encouraging in refernec to some new faces. aint gonna hapen.. we will all have to pray that much harder.

Nearly gone, Dan. I don’t need new faces to be encouraged. Oh we have been here before you know it all… I see some of your pessimist colleagues like to cut us off at the pass…even using tactics. ‘Don’t think that a win against Fulham will change anything even a good win..tells us nothing. In fact we won’t know how successful this team are until 2011..lots of time for us to make you all miserable.’

frank, how do you think we will do this year?

On sunday ,G.N.E.R allowing ill set off from home to watch the ARSE, my mate normally makes Dan sound confident, but even he is upbeat for this season, why? because even he can see that the team is just that, A TEAM. On paper we have not got or signed the so called big guns, but thats nothing new, our last big name prior to Gallas was Campbell,and that didnt go too bad did it? I know all will be revealed in the coming months until then let AW do his job, he knows his players, his player wish list, and I for one wont panic until its the right and proper time to do so.

its not far off a relay squad Frank,

I am just so frustrated that we are so close to seriously mounting a challenge but are two players short, and the difference between mounting that challenge and coming 5th without buying them is a real threat.

If the 24M mentioned above is true, we could have recruited the players we need, instead all I hear is talk of Diarra. dont get me wrong he is a good player but we are overloaded in CM. everyone talks about why should we buy it will restrict the growth of the potentials, and that is exactly what buying Diarra would do.

He says we are strong but I know his idea of strong includes playing Flamini, Diaby or Denilson on the LW and Eboue on the RW and sorry guys that is just not good enough to mount a serious challenge

Not that I’m trying to offer consolation cos we don’t need that. This is just worth a read:
http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/content/camden/hamhigh/sport/story.aspx?brand=NorthLondon24&category=Sportarsenal&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=sport&itemid=WeED10%20Aug%202007%2016%3A55%3A37%3A140

patthegooner is spot on, if you think flamini playing anywhere or diaby and eboue CAN play on the wings and this is good enough then obviously you agree with wenger that we have enough depth. even our first choice wingers rosicky and helb are clearly not wingers let alone those two.

Dan

Is this the same Flamini who performed admirably at LB when we were screwed in 2005-06? You have a problem with Eboue in RM? Congratulations, you just became an official minority.

The point with Arsene’s tactical formations is that the players are expected to be fluid. Remember Total Football? When one player comes inside, the other moves to the outside, forwards and back, interchangibility of positions, etc. That is what you have, as near as damn it, right now.

Rigidity of positions is not acceptable at Arsenal at the moment; no running up and down channels - be prepared to deviate your run to make it more difficult for an opponent to pick you up.

What is needed is defensive responsibility from front to back; GG’s sides had it, that is what will make a key difference in this current version of AW’s.

YW

PS. I would agree that Diaby is wasted on the wings…although Villa away last season proved there is some merit in it.

Apparently Diaby is not in the squad. And arsenal.com says nothing about him being injured, having updated its injury news just recently. Any ideas? I think he should be above Flamini and Denilson in the pecking order… and I would start him quite often now that Gilberto is not available.

Yogi

In desperate situations I have no problems with either Flamini or Diaby playing on the wings, but we seem to use it far too often

I just feel wenger is missing a trick by not recruiting a winger during the transfer market, and I will not accept the ‘they are not available’ as they have been and some probably still are, everyone has a price and whilst i appreciate Wenger’s comments about it prices being crazy this summer but everyone is in the same boat, but say we spend the 20m on a Winger and best cased come 2nd or 1st, or say we dont and worse case risk coming 5th, how much money would we lose by not getting Champions League Football

and I am still not convinced by Eboue on the RW, the situation is growing on me but the jury is out for that.

Thanks for that link Louisa - I’d say that GG is a man who knows a thing or two about football.

Sorry Dan, Just got back in….I think we will come first or second….because we will not let the top two get away from us in the first half of the season and in the second half it will be close enough for us to reel them in. I gave all the reasons above…but the main one is that we are now a team, a tougher, more experienced, better balanced, pissed off at losing team. Eduardo and Bendtner give us the cover we need up front instead of JA andJB, and the defence will be much, much better disciplned after working together through the summer. It is as obvious to me as the fact that we are useless and lightweight is to you. But I am sure we both support the side as passionately and so long as the supporters get behind the team I am sure they will perform but I can’t prove it, so we will just have to wait and see. I agree with Passenal and Louisa though GG sees it.

Looks like Bernie has admitted an interest

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=474606&in_page_id=1779&ito=newsnow

it actually looks like a quote now!!

Pat

Let’s face it, the last two seasons have been absolutely dire as far as injuries have been concerned. Dire straights some may say but from the Pig’s Ear, AW has made a Silk Purse of a squad.

The key thing is that the tactics require bodies in the box, not a left winger. Defences find it harder to pick up a midfield runner than they do a forward who is static in the area.

It is not that Wingers are hard to come by; the good ones are there but are vastly overpriced - Robben for £24m; Quaresma rated in the same inflated bracket as Ribery - so the point becomes Return on Investment. Will a LW mean a title? How do you fit Rosicky, for example, with a wide player?

Imponderables, yes, but AW has a plan and this should be given the chance to be executed.

YW

wenger keeps going on about how if the right player comes along he will buy them because he has the funds!!!

well why the fuck didnt he buy ribery or malouda then!

????????????????

surley not because he couldnt promise that he would be here next year????????????

if we brought one of them we would defenetly be challenging.!!!

Sooner or later Arsene has to allow the so called ‘kids’ to move into the 1st team, that after all is why he has the over thirty, one year contract policy. Since he arrived he seems to have been working to a plan on a grand scale. The youth academy and training facilities, the stadium (I know its Fizmans baby but I’m sure Wenger pushed for it) etc. Wengers grand plans seem to be reaching their fruition now. If this team ‘clicks’ then once again he is the undisputed godfather of the football coaching world, with world class players comming on tap a couple a season and the premiership clubs awash with ex-trainees and over 30’s, plus money in the bank. If it all falls flat a move upstairs and some more funds for a different approach….maybe.
Is the first of three seasons to see if this plan is about to work. With my personnel world view of this I just can’t think negative thoughts at the moment. In a few weeks I may have to re-assess, but till then…..
The longest time between cups at Arsenal since the Thirties is 17 years but that was 53-70, my old man always said we were crap in the 60’s but they played like they did not know it and they gave it all they had. Cups at Arsenal are like buses on the Essex Road none for a bit then 3 at once, its a better enviroment than Liverpool with all their twisted angst over the years directed towards Man U, or Newcastle ALWAYS dreaming of a golden age or Chelsea with their one little win before old moneybags popped up.

thing is how much patience do we give wenger? lets say another 4th place and no cups come our way this year, do we give it ANOTHER year? the board would.
how much of his reluctance to spend to fill the few weak spots of the squad is harming our chances of winning anything? only time will tell once we have a few injuries this season I guess. second question is, could another man do a better job than Wenger assuming there IS money to spend?

I should clarify that things need to start happening this year, an improvemnet to the previous years lull, third place or better and a cup. As I said its just a hunch that may need to be reviewed.
Yet I still have this positive feeling that he might get it right with this squad, with more talent now comming on stream year on year. We talk of RVP being ready this year something extra from Rosicky (if fit), next year we look forward to more from Walcott and Merida and so on, take your pick. Over these three years the best players we have excluding our venerable goalkeeper one defender and a midfielder will be comming into their prime and a host of young talent with real playing experience all over the place. Refering to Amos # 26, a superb analasys, its the way Wenger can get the best for these players by tinkering like this, it just impresses.
If it goes Kaput then…….? I do not think someone would do a better job, the structure he has built would be adjusted more to a UTD model maybe, with say Hiddink?? a mix of youth and money, just not Wengers personnel over arching plan. He’ll always be able to sing My Way at the end of season bash!

do we give it ANOTHER year?

Yes we bloody well do & another more after that.

How quite a few of you so underestimate what Arsene Wenger has done for us, & is still capable of doing, is absolutely astonishing.

Anyone calling AW “an idiot” is by definition just that.

You make these assumptions that we are being idle in the transfer market. How do you know what is going on & who they have been looking at?

GG thinks we are on the up & I am with him. We have overall the greatest number of highly talented players that we have ever had. The old team had to be replaced because age took its toll. To be in the position we are in now is miraculous yet all you do is moan.

If you are still alive Dan I go back 20 odd years further than you. The late 50s & 60s were dire but every season part of being a supporter was just believing in your team. I did that whilst Spurs had one of the best teams ever seen in England. Knocked out of the cup very often in the 3rd round by some fxxxg 3rd division team. Yes you moaned but you just came back for more.

Now you spoilt bastards whinge & cry because 4th place isn’t good enough whilst a fine young team is being constructed, at a time when the Russians can buy the cream of the crop.

You crap yourselves because everyone else is spending stupid money on quite ordinary players, who, with a very few exceptions, wouldn’t get in our team anyway.

As YW said we are going to play total football like the Dutch of the 70s.

Just enjoy it, hope it brings trophies, but in any case just support.

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Flint, you are so right mate gloves are off now GO YOU MIGHTY GUNNERS.

Nice on Flint.
All the bickering on winning a trophy at all cost, is to have bragging rights over rival fans.
To me that is simply not good enough. The direction the club has taken excites me no end.
We invested smartly and rightly in young kids, and we as fans should watch them develop into a golden generation.

We invested in a new stadium, which in my reckoning is the greatest proof of very lofty ambitions by any board in modern day football. The kind of ambition that would put Arsenal in the same bracket as the Madrids, Milan, Barcelona and Ajax’s of this world. Where our ethos, culture and football is lauded. All the talk from the media and spurs is about breaking into the top 4, our goals are higher, way way higher. The aim, having listened to Wenger for the past few years, is to be the number one club in London (which we are by fan base) and soon the number one club in the world.

On a side, the performance of Carling Cup team has been one of the highlights of the past 2-3 years for me. It was a privilege to watch the team demolish premiership oppositions. They got premiership opposition in each round and outplayed all of them to the final.

There is now an “Arsenal way” of playing. A way of playing that is light years away from that practised by any other club in England including ManU.

It is great being a gunner and I look forward to another season. To watch Cesc (best central midfield talent in league) , Hleb (outrageous skills, is he left footed or right footed?), Diaby , Theo, Rosicky, Denielson (this kid is special, this is his first full season), Flamini (Marathon man), Clichy (the best left back in England period, what an engine), King Kolo, Mad Jens, Eboue, RVP and Gilberto .

We are of 1 mind William.

Well said William.

Of course we give it time

but sorry flint accusing us of not respecting or underestimating what Arsene has done is ridiculous, the guy is a Legend but as with players there comes a time when maybe that amazing contribution + history seems to make you bigger than the club and untouchable.

My problem is that for the last 3 years he has come out with the same comment, ‘I believe we are strong enough to challenge’ well we havent been and it has been a reluctance to spend money to fill those weak positions that frustrates me, because if he had, we quite possibly could have challenged and we certainly would this year. So if the guy is saying we will challenge and then we come 20+ points behind, should we not be asking the question? and I do not agree with the injuries excuse (From Fans not Arsene) as if he did strengthen it would not of hurt us so much. honestly one week he says we are one or two short and then the next he says we have enough!!!

I am all up for bringing the youth through and I too have taken great interest in the Carling Cup and love seeing them come through and the Carling Cup has been a great place to experiment with the Youth. but we havent got a genuine winger either in the senior squad or in the reserves, the closest we have is a couple of years away.

I like Hlebs attitude but the experiment has been going on two years now and sorry it is not working for him in that position but thats not his fault. Rosicky was unfortunately blighted by injury but hopefully that will better this year and he will contribute more (Remember they are both used to playing just behind the Striker) Walcott is better but I still believe the long-term aim is to get him back as a striker.

Is 4th good enough? yes especially given the strength of Man Ure, CSKA, and Liverpool but I would like to see progress this year and not just 18 points behind instead of 21. I want them to be within 10 points of 1st and at least secure 4th and it is that points difference that will gauge our season. But without those two more additions I have not seen enough YET to assure me that we are not gambling with a 4th/5th finish. only a few months into the season will make my mind up on this.

And this being spoilt and whinging simply is not true (OK I am whinging about him not adding more depth), I am not spoilt, we could come tenth and I would still supporting them just as much as you guys week in week out. my thoughts are based on

1) We have money
2) We need a another Striker
3) We neeed at least one Winger
4) We could buy both

and if we did that I am convinced we could really push for that top spot and even if we didnt get it at least we would be in with a shout at the start of May.

If we dont I think we are gambling, look at this weekend, Ade is out, Dudu is 50/50 and we are suddenly looking at the RVP11 and Bendtner (Even Wenger says he is not ready) and no one on the bench in case things are not going well. not good

OH and seen as we have Injuries I would line up like this tommorrow (4-5-1)

Lehmann
Sagna Toure Gallas Clichy
Walcott Flamini Cesc Rosicky
Hleb
VP11

I think Hleb will be the key tomorrow playing in his favoured position.

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