Freddie Ljungberg’s parting gift is to re-ignite the debate about the current state of the Arsenal squad. I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of his reasons for his departure, you can read them in yesterday’s comments and elsewhere. Indeed, Goodplaya has covered those rather nicely, highlighting the contradictons and hypocrises. Personally I find it a pity that so many footballers now start a new chapter in their careers with a negative end to their old ones. It is, of course, nothing new. It is however more and more prevalent. It makes me wonder who was making promises to him though. Given the responsibilities within the Club at the time, it will have been one of two people.
I think I’ll remember the man with more affection for the goals that typified his career at Arsenal, a number of enjoyable moments, becoming a rarity in recent seasons due to injury and being unable to recapture that form as a result. Perhaps a change of scenery will do that for him. So long as he has two absolute stinkers against Arsenal but then again, he is more likely to ‘do an Anelka’ than anything else.
With his departure though, another of the ‘Invincibles’ moves onto pastures new. It leaves at the Club this season Toure, Lehmann, Gilberto and Clichy from that era. At the moment, they part of an incomparable Arsenal squad who performed exceptionally over the 2003-04 season. A lot of pleasure and yet, to paraphrase The Smiths, ‘Invincibles, So Much To Answer For‘. Expectations raised, rebuilding dismissed in a sea of ‘Spend, Spend, Spend‘, prophecies of doom with Cesc leaving next Summer, simply because the team is not full of household names, the megasuperstars. Arsene counters that with comments published in The Mirror,
Whenever I look at a potential new player the question I always ask myself: ‘Is he good enough to win the league?’. If I come to the conclusion that he isn’t, then I don’t buy him. It is unbelievable how much has been spent. It looks like the banks are being very generous this year! I have been very surprised.
Talking of the sums spent by others,
The challenge is the same. They can only play 11 players at the start of the game. And it is not necessarily the case that because they spend £50m that they are any better
No doubt there will be those who disagree.
Meanwhile, The Mirror insists that Phillipe Senderos is the next one to leave The Emirates, Juventus will apparently pay £3m to ‘end his Arsenal misery’. The Italians apparently believe he ‘wants to quit England’. The money seems good to me and with three other natural centre backs at the Club and one or two more who can play there in an emergency, if they offer it I would take it. The underlying point with Senderos is that he may need a new challenge to get first team football on a regular basis. Even with some sort of rotation in the side, is he likely to play more than fifteen games a season with Gallas and Toure as the first choice pairing with Djourou seemingly ahead of him in the queue.























Perspective guys!!
Arsenal are as strong, if not stronger than last year.
Lets look at this Arsenal team:
Goalkeeper: Lehmann/ Fabianski – Stronger than last year
Right-Back: Sagna/Hoyte/Eboue – Stronger than last year
Left-Back: Clichy/Traore – Same as last year, but more mature
Centre-Half: Gallas/ Djourou – Same as last year but more mature
Centre-Half: Toure/Senderos – Same as last year but more mature
Right-Midfield: Eboue/Walcott/Hleb – Same as last year but using Eboue more effectively
Centre-Midfield: Fabregas/Denilson – Same as last year but more mature
Centre-Midfield: Gilberto/Diaby/Flamini – Same as last year but more mature
Left-Midfield: Rosicky/Diaby – Same as last year but more mature
Striker: Van Persie/Da Silva – Lost Henry, but he played few games last year, RVP better this year and Da Sliva -chas an excellent international strike rate
Striker: Adebayor/Bendtner – Better than last year (The Beast has gone Hurray)
First 11 is likely to be
Lehmann
Sagna
Clichy
Gallas
Toure
Hleb or Eboue
Fabregas
Gilberto
Rosicky
RVP
Da Sliver
Of these players you would only defiantly put Gerard in place of Gilberto and maybe swap Cliche. Torres is unproven and has a less impressive international strike rate than Da Silva.
You only have to look at the games between Arsenal v Liverpool and Arsenal v Spurs last year to know that the team is good enough without Henry…!!!!!!
By: the Knowledge on July 24, 2007
at 10:33 am
Good article YW.
It would be a surprise is Swiss T went but if he did we would certainly have to replace him.
AW has summed up my feelings entirelly. There has been a lot of overspending in the PL this summer with only no really super super class players changing hands.
Some potential has been bought but we already have that.
I am not against a further purchase but I have been astonished about how some people undervalue the players we have, whilst singing the praises of some quite ordinary players.
By: Flint McCullough on July 24, 2007
at 10:33 am
Totally agree, I can’t believe how much money gets spent on some players.
I see no need to sell Phil, if he wants to go then maybe, otherwise he’s a great defender to hold on to. Remember he’s still young and we got hold of him despite every club in Europe wanting him.
By: Easy Tiger on July 24, 2007
at 10:39 am
Although I have said what I have above – would be nice to buy a top top left winger……………. in the style of Overmars/Pires.. although lets see what Walcott has to offer this year!
Think we should also splash out for Curtis just to have a bit of English blood lol
By: the Knowledge on July 24, 2007
at 10:40 am
Your right Yogi enough has been said about Freddie its just a shame when the club gave him the chance to come to England where he became a multi millionaire and he ends it by coming out with garbage like that. As i have previously said lets not get too bitter but thank him for his efforts and wish him all the best. As for Senderos i dont think we should allow him to leave as enough players have left and our squad is too small. If injuries arise we will need him especially when the season really gets going. He can get better and i feel we should persist with his potential.
By: veteran on July 24, 2007
at 10:40 am
I am struggling to think of one player who has left us under Wenger where the official line wasn’t ‘it was the players own decision to leave’. Even when it is clear that the particular player was surplus to our needs Wenger goes out of his way to allow them to leave with dignity and pride intact. Too many seem to feel the need to justify ‘their decision’ without maintaining that dignity that Wenger has considered. Maybe their pride doesn’t allow them to do so.
By: Amos on July 24, 2007
at 10:41 am
arsene ,70% of the time gets it right in his statements..i personally do not believe that buying buying and buying is the answer..if you have the quality , why buy just because the other teams(liverpool especially0 are buying?
By: kwaku on July 24, 2007
at 10:44 am
Yogi … My first ever comment on a blog … Great work by the way. A real intellectual analysis of one of the classiest teams in the history of English football.
Wenger is as interested in players’ characters as he is in their footballing abilities. According to his recent quotes, he helps his players discover the joy of team football and then everything else (tactics, understanding, finishing, etc …) comes in naturally after that. He creates an environment, plants a seed, and sits back with the rest of us to enjoy the beauty of the finished article. His last beautiful painting was the “invincibles”. We all know how long it took to paint that masterpiece: the frustrations, the near misses, the hard work and the knocks … We only bought Lehman before that invincibles season; and if memory serves me correctly we were completely written off by the media that summer.
As Arsenal fans, we are all connoisseurs of great football. Let’s all sit back and watch Wenger in his labour of love building a great team … Money cannot buy you class. Football shall prevail.
By: Ossgooner on July 24, 2007
at 10:44 am
Would you but Torres for $21M plus a player? Hargreaves for £18M? Bent for £18M?
The prices of these average players is totally mad…….
Wenger, if nothing else picks stars for peanuts…… in comparison.
I think the proof of teh pudding is that we purchsed Reyes for a fee that could rise to £19M…. but he failed (and in fact the fee never got to that level…)
Keep going Wenger!!! I woul dbe amazed if he does not bring in 1 or 2 more players… and the papers will not get a sniff until it happens!!!!
By: the Knowledge on July 24, 2007
at 10:48 am
“the Knowledge” seriously, gerrard in replace for gilberto? r u dreaming son? gilberto is the most important player in the squad. he is like a shield before the back four. gerrard is not as defensive as him. i would happily play flamini ahead of gerrard any day. gerrard is in the same position as fabregas man. while gerrard is a little more of an all round player, fabregas has got the vision and creativity that no other can match! we desperately need a right winger. rosicky is injury prone. hleb is good but inconsistent. walcott is still a little too young, he can play but probably not 60 games. and if we were to win the title, do you think we can play eboue on the right wing for 30 games? NO!! We need a new winger to start the game with rosicky on the wings. and hleb and walcott can stand in anytime any of the them got injured. eboue and randall/traore should ONLY be hleb and walcott’s backups. I am happy with the forwards as we have RVP, Manu, Dudu, and young bendtner. When Manu goes to ANC, if any of the forwards got injured, we still have Theo Walcott and Rosicky as emergency forwards. as for the cm/dm positions, we have abundant of players now that flamini is staying. we have enough depth on the wing backs and centre backs too. now the only REAL problem is REALLY the wing position and i believe Wenger knows that too. I believe he is waiting for Reyes’ cash to sign our new winger. Last season we had 4 proper RM/LM in Rosicky/Hleb/Walcott/Ljungberg but its still insufficient and we needed the likes of Eboue and Diaby to play on the wings. Now that Ljungberg is gone, if wenger still thinks that we have enough depth in that position, then he is probably mad. as the fixture tightens up in january, couple of one or two injuries and one suspension, we will be left with Randall on the left and Diaby on the right. If u think Randall/Diaby combination can win us the title, then we fans have probably gone mad too!!
By: "the Knowledge" REALLY? on July 24, 2007
at 10:58 am
The Senderos stuff is absolute nonsense. His “Arsenal misery” must include him being promoted at only 20, to the senior Swiss side which conceded not a single goal in the World Cup finals.
Do these so-called journalists sit down every morning and scan a squad list and think: “Hmmm, Senderos has been around for a while and isn’t playing every match. He’ll be leaving then.”
No need for a quote, no need to mention the injuries he had last season, no need to mention the fact that Wenger has said he is very happy with his defence, no need for a reality-check.
And £3m for a centre-back with experience of two Premiership campaigns and one World Cup, yet WBA are asking £8m+ for Curtis Davies????
Words fail me…..
By: mjc on July 24, 2007
at 10:59 am
Freddie ..good riddance..no need to keep an ageing underperforming part timer on top wages in the squad
whatever he says doesnt matter .. who cares?
we dont need him to analyze the strengths and weaknesses of AFC and he would not be part of the squad anyway if AW had, as he should have, bought top class players to replace our armada of gooners
on AW comments that you can only play 11 guys at the same time, thanks a lot Monsieur .. but maybe their talent and ability may vary greatly and money seems to represent a reasonable indicator to evaluate a player’s qualities and achievements .. mark that last word, achievements, not only promises
he is fooling himself if he believes that this squad is good enough to challenge for honors this season
Flint – no super players have been bought .. Torres would fit the bill, Tevez is floating in the background .. but to the sadest point of it, one has been lost ..TH14 and he will be thoroughly missed
Ribery is lightning up Germany in pre season .. no Hleb/Rosicky ever achieved this .. yes, we need width and speed in this squad
we are so short of intrinsic class up front, its a shocker.. I cant believe my eyes AW is not in the market buying players
I got no issue with him to get rid of the likes of Reyes/Freddie/Hoyte/Gilbert/Senderos and develop some young talent, but please buy a couple of ESTABLISHED guys who are known to perform week in week out
I wasnt bearish at the start of the transfer period, but I really did not expect his mutterings about stupid money being thrown around .. maybe his Alsatian stubbornness is obscuring his mind .. must be the proximity to the Germans
I appreciate Sagna as I believe he’ll be a class player for us .. Dudu thats an impossible call, but I’ll trust AW on it
where are the other ones?
we are losing guys and we are not even replacing them, forget about adding to the squad..
also he only buys players who he believes can win the league, hello .. wake up .. thats utter nonsense … AFC is far from having 11 super stars on the pitch .. maybe he thought for one sec that he was at Barca
By: BB on July 24, 2007
at 11:08 am
Fans and players are funny people. They seem to hang on to
nostalgic thoughts and memories. They keep harping on the disappearing 11 invincibles and that ARSENAL is lunatic to let
them go. Actually Mr. Wenger is wisest manager in England or
the world. It is a renewal process which had to be done, the back wave pushing the front wave. Imagine what will happen to Arsenal if the 2004 ‘invincible’ squad was playing last season and this season ??? They will be slaughter by the likes of Cristiano Ronaldo since top professional footballers are maturing as young as 17 years old now and becoming superstar by 20. How many of Arsenal’s youngster will become superstar I don’t know but we already have one, Cesc Fabregas. Is it possible for Walcott, Diaby, Danielson, Bentner and many many more together with Rosicky, Van Persie, Toure, Eboue and Sagna. So why on earth do we want to pay crazy amount of money to buy so call ‘established’ superstars ?
By: Eddie Yak on July 24, 2007
at 11:10 am
phil never succeed to impress me and maybe its time to say gud bye. we do have a flock of very outstanding central defender in our reserve. maybe its time to give them oppurtunity to show their worth.
as for our whining departed player, well, what else can they say.? do you expect they will tell the media the truth by saying,’ oh well, i no longer considered as an intergaral part of Arsenal and i cannot produce the football quality as i used to 2-3 years ago.so, you should probably made a mistake by singning me’
By: besor on July 24, 2007
at 11:12 am
That is good analysis and good comments too. But sometimes the pundits who criticize the strength of our team are right especially when we don’t get the results we anticipated on the pitch. This time I will only praise Wenger after a trophy or two in the cupboard prefferably the league or F.A cup although I trust him and respect his judgment. We can’t stand another horrible season and the squad depth also matters when we’re to compete for all that is before us.
By: Young Henry on July 24, 2007
at 11:12 am
oh by the way, i really think senderos should stay. remember eboue and toure will be gone in january for a month. we need depth.. we can play with nordtveit/djourou for one or two games but we cant play them for 1 month. if we want to challenge the for title, its about winning every game.. im not saying nordtviet/djourou combination is not good enough. they are probably big players with huge potential, but if each of them makes 2 mistakes during january, 4 blunders altogether are enough to cost us what.. like 10points in the table. so i really think senderos shouldnt go. if he does go, it is nice to see curtis coming in but that will also mean that the chance to bring in a winger would be EXTREMELY low. of course curtis+a new winger would be the best but i dun think tats gonna happen in arsenal. so, lets just keep senderos and bring in a winger and we’ll be ready to have a go at the title again.
By: "the Knowledge" REALLY? on July 24, 2007
at 11:14 am
“I got no issue with him to get rid of the likes of Reyes/Freddie/Hoyte/Gilbert/Senderos and develop some young talent”
You’re not willing to let Hoyte and Gilbert develop their young talent then?
“money seems to represent a reasonable indicator to evaluate a player’s qualities and achievements”
Veron?
By: mjc on July 24, 2007
at 11:14 am
Big Phill will not be sold, he is still a very able defender in the squad, Gallas has at the most 1 or 2 seasons left at Arsenal. By which time Senderos would still be about 25.
It is funny how self fulfilling such negative talk about some players can be. Players like Hleb and Senderos for some reason seem to bare the brunt of fans criticism when in reality they contribute a lot more to the team and the squad. It is a case where ignorant and flippant comments by commentators and pundits, start a bad trend of player castigation.
Player’s develop reputations of being better than they are or worse than they are based on sky punditry.
Phill is probably the only natural defender in the first team. And is certainly the best header of the ball along with Gilberto.
Was he that bad last season? I personally believe he should be picked ahead of Gallas in some games. Gallas and Kolo are too small to be the number on pairing all season.
Phillip is certain good enough to be third or forth choice defender. A clamour to dispose of him even for #5 million would not be wise. Who would we replace him with that is a better than Phill and willing to be 3rd or 4th choice?
By: william on July 24, 2007
at 11:15 am
Ljungberg is a bitter old woman who can’t accept that he’s lost it. He was a vital part of the Arsenal setup once upon a time but not in the last two years – he was just bleeding the club with his wages, and they weren’t enough – he needed to get in his pants for extra cash. Whore, Freddie.
The Mirror are a bunch of bitches for bringing that ‘exclusive’ Ecclestone nonsense – ” I’ll take anything if it’s going cheap, ha ha ha.” No, Bernie, it’s not going, and if it was , it would be very far from cheap – So f**k off, you senile old c**t!
Lastly, Phillippe Senderos is a top quality centre back. He is only 22 and he has an excellent understanding with both :
1. Johann Djourou (best defence in the world cup) and
2. Kolo Toure (Champions league record for not conceding)
He is the only one who can effectively defend corners, and has a decent ability to find a teammate with a defensive header – which is something that has been unusual at Arsenal for a while.
Arsenal would miss Swiss Tony far more than a certain world-class loudmouth mercenary who has sapped the confidence of all of the central defenders at the club, and who isn’t tall enough to form an effective partnership with Toure. And who is also nearly 30.
By: Al on July 24, 2007
at 11:16 am
happy that freddie leave.no place for sentimental here. he can contribute no more. goes down every 5 seconds on the pitch
By: besor on July 24, 2007
at 11:19 am
We still need a top class winger who can play left or right. I get the feeling that maybe Eduardo is going to play on the left and Rosicky on the right.
———————–Lehman
—Sagna——Toure——Gallas——Clichy
—Rosicky—-Gilberto/Diaby—-Cesc—-Eduardo
—————Van Persie————Adebayor
I believe that this is going to be Diaby’s year!
Toure for Captain!!!!!!!!!
By: norman on July 24, 2007
at 11:23 am
mjc – you seem to forget that we have a lot of other young players in the squad and that their is or rather should be a natural selection process IMHO Hoyte/Gilbert dont have the necessary attributes to make it at Arsenal .. as I said, there is plenty of young talent left that deserves and gets a chance
also I said money was a “reasonable” indicator, NOT an EXCLUSIVE one ..
By: BB on July 24, 2007
at 11:24 am
I saw mentioned above that we should maybe swap Clichy. That is absolutely insane in my eyes. There is not one left back in the Premiership I would rather have than him. I think he is brilliant! His runs down the flank, his energy, his pace, his passion. Brilliant! One of my absoulte favourites of this side.
I do agree however that we should get a left winger. Hleb/Walcott on the right is good, but in reality we do not have any natual cover for Rosicky on the left. I’m sure Walcott will get a few games on that side, but he looks more confident on the right. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing van Persie play a few games on the flank, with Dudu and Ade up front. He could get us quite a few goals from that position, AND he is left footed and cross for headers (that would be the day..).
All in all, I am quietly optimistic ahead of the coming season. Delighted Wenger hasn’t gone and thrown money at clubs for overrated players, but rather stuck to his own way of doing things. There is noone better than him judging player potential, so any fan questioning his abilities should have a look in the mirror and ask himself when he became became better equipped than Wenger to judge what is needed at the club.
It would be rather crazy spending all that time and effort into building a young and exciting squad, just to bring in established stars once the money become available. Not many clubs consistently being in the top 4 can honestly say they are self sufficient in terms of money.
By: Veggis on July 24, 2007
at 11:28 am
If past history of AW is anything to go by then there will still be additions to the squad, and I very much doubt they will be big names, daresay AW knows exactly who they will be. Freddie leaving was always 50/50 this close season, Msr Grimandi is still globetrotting and most likely negotiating to a pre planned strategy.
Whilst AW is still at the helm I refuse to be over anxious about the squad, AW has maintained he will pay the ‘right’ money for the ‘right’ player and has not been hampered by budget. The team is better this year than last if you consider the injuries last season and the players missing most of the season, with the bonus of better harmony within the squad.
By: Jon S on July 24, 2007
at 11:32 am
i think the issue with the invincibles and the problem people have with wengers refusal to spend is that yes, fair enough, it is ok to say he wants to build a new team that can scale those heights but the ideal way to bring in youth into the team is bit by bit, adding to your established players.. fabregas’ meteoric rise was partly due to the fact that he stepped into a team that on the back of the unbeaten season was absolutely flying. likewise gael clichy looked tremendous in his appearances in the unbeaten season. now the exodus has happened so quickly that our most established player, gilberto, has seen a mere 5 seasons at the club. i think it is reasonable to expect the manager to add experience and proven quality in at least some of the areas where it has left. gallas was a great signing and so was rosicky, he will prove it soon, but we need more of it. it’s all very well hoping that a team can grow up together and become something special but if they just get used to losing, which could easily be the way it goes, then this much vaunted bunch could amount to nothing much, in an arsenal shirt, ad maybe a lot more elsewhere.. just to clarify, if arzsene wenger does not see that we need, specifically, a winger, maybe two, then i am very worried.
By: harry gooner on July 24, 2007
at 11:32 am
BB – fair enough, but have Hoyte and (especially) Gilbert really had the opportunity to progress yet. I agree that there is a great deal of young talent coming through, but I don’t see it in the fullback positions, more in the midfield.
I honestly think that Wenger believes that he currently has his “golden generation” and that, with this squad, he can eclipse the Ajax team of ‘74 as the greatest young team ever assembled. I’m not saying I agree with him (mainly because I don’t know), but it would make sense of his refusal to parachute in 28 year-olds. You have to admire his confidence, if nothing else….
BTW, on Veron, what other indicator would you have used to conclude that he would be a disastrous waste of money? Size of ego, maybe?
By: mjc on July 24, 2007
at 11:34 am
eduardo anthem…take a walk on the wild side
hey babe take a walk on the wild side,
i said hey babe, take a walk on the wild side,
and all the ‘gooners’ go…
du, du du, du du, du du du, du, du du. etc.
By: gooner plain and simple on July 24, 2007
at 11:34 am
and why does it matter if you can speculate that the team is better than last season? what, a little better than 4th place? none of the pressing issues have been solved
By: harry gooner on July 24, 2007
at 11:34 am
now everyone is going to say I am crazy, but if I had to sell one player (ignoring reyes for the minute), it would be Gallas not Senderos. The Gallas/Toure partnership is doomed and both of them are automatic first choice which I hate. neither of them are that tall (both 5′11″), which makes defending set pieces against big men from teams at the bottom of the table very difficult. we will once again leak tons of goals from set pieces and we will drop points because of it.
Djouoru is taller at 6′4″ and is also very quick. He would be my first choice defender with Toure (or Gallas but I would never sell Toure). We could get big money for WG and buy another big centre back (Samba from Blackburn??).
Also if I was to buy a winger, he would a tall player not another midget. people always talk about our lack of firepower (and yes I do think we need a winger now fred has gone) but Arsenal ALWAYS score plenty of goals and will do again. its our powder puff defending at set pieces that will cost us the title this season.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 11:39 am
harry gooner:
“None of the pressing issues have been solved”
Maybe the pressing issue in Wenger view is not more players but getting the players to be a lot better than next season.
Ronaldo improved and had his highest goal return in his career.
By: william on July 24, 2007
at 11:40 am
I have to agree with the sale of Freddie and feel slightly disappointed with some of his comments as a result of his departure. Barring Lehmann, Gilberto and Toure(the latter being under 30 i might add), the rest of the invincible squad have been let go just when they were edging towards the big 30. Wenger certainly knows what he wants from his playing personnel and it will take a fool to argue with the Great Man.
I feel that the team will be more focussed and direct this season and will certainly convert more chances than when we had Titi as the be all and end all of our attacking play.
We require in my opinion, Jesus Navas of Sevilla, Curtis Davies of West Brom and A Quality midfielder.
Who To, Who To Be, Who To Be A Gooner……
By: goonabosco on July 24, 2007
at 11:44 am
That Eduardo song is perfect, there isn’t even any need for the verse, just the du du-du du-du du du-du du du-du du-du…
Last season we came joint third, the season before was more like joint fourth – so why not joint secondish for next season. That would be reasonable.
United are going to get a bit of second-season-syndrome. Chelsea will be concentrating on the Champions League (in Mourinho’s last season). Liverpool aren’t good enough to win the league – they just aren’t. Realistically, I would reckon united are the best bet, but Arsenal are the wild card – if we get a good start, we could win it. More likely to come second this time, though. (And Bentley and McCarthy’s Blackburn for fifth).
By: Al on July 24, 2007
at 11:51 am
no one contributing on this forum has been at arsenal training grounds and watched the players train for even a week….so therefore let’s leave the people who do that every day to make their decisions..and we just support them…go on mr venger
By: kwaku on July 24, 2007
at 11:52 am
william, point accepted, but in all seriousness are we hoping that hleb etc. are going to improve to that extent. i think anyone could see the potential ronaldo had when he arrived and that he was bound to fulfill it. hleb has been inconsistent and even at his best is not the most effective wide player. so in effect for the flanks we have rosicky and hleb, neither of whom want to play wide ideally, both prefer behind the strikers, and then what? Walcott? can we all just accept that he hasn’t yet played a good game for arsenal? i understand tat hes young and will improve, but thats exactly why we should get someone in who can take the pressure off him, because for gods sake tomas rosicky was injured most of last season if you’re telling me we could end up playin hleb and walcott week in week out then tell me that buying a winger isnt a pressing matter. its a real pity if we dont cos i really think that the squad is looking strong in all other areas.
By: harry gooner on July 24, 2007
at 11:54 am
When a player hasn’t performed well for 2 seasons, he is making £70 000 per week, is injured at leat half the time, is over 30 and there are better alternatives in the squad.. Well, 3 million is not a bad deal. And to be honest, I’m happy with the sale. His comments, well I think they go a long way of justifying it further as he has obviously not had his heart in it 100% for a while now. Good luck at West Ham Freddie, hope you are injured when we come to Upton Park seeking revenge for last year!
As for Big Phil, I can’t see Wenger selling him without bringing in someone else. Eboue and Toure will be gone at African Nations Cup, and then we will need all the defenders we have. And Wenger will no doubt feel the same way.
Gallas has been disapointing interms of his big mouth, didn’t think a professional would openly critisice his manager like that. Maybe Chelski where not crazy after all letting him go.. He is a good defender, but his whining is at best annoying. How should the younger players react when he talks like this?
Bring on the new season!
By: Veggis on July 24, 2007
at 11:59 am
William is right Ronaldos imrprovement was one of the main reasons they won the EPL. If Walcott can show massive imrovement he can end up becoming just like Pires. Gazzap is right about our centre back height problem, but selling Senderos before the ANC is very dangerous. I am not sure how tall Nordveight is, but he should eventually join the squad.
Now that Freddies gone Merida should be in the squad. AFC turned down 7 million for Reyes from Real and now Atleticoand Lyon are interested, if Atletico got him they no longer want Quaresmo, and though AW has enough wing men, if the price is reasonable he would be a good buy.
By: solgooner on July 24, 2007
at 12:00 pm
Agree about Gallas with his disruptive comments, he has this season to prove his worth, he came to AFC on a funny deal and maybe his mind just is not on the job, his loyalty is suspect and his agreement to arrive at AFC may have more to do with irritating maureen.
By: Jon S on July 24, 2007
at 12:05 pm
harrygooner; Like I mentioned earlier, I agree with the need to strengthen the flanks. But to say Walcott hasn’t played a good game for Arsenal is wrong in my opinion. He may not be mr consistent throughout a game, but he some of his performances have been really good. Especially when he came on for a few games in a row early on, his pace and crosses caused all kinds of problems.
By: Veggis on July 24, 2007
at 12:11 pm
mjc – Djourou, Traore, Clichy,Senderos .. looks like enough defenders that we nurture and cherish to come through the ranks ..
Rosicky is very very injury prone as was the case with him in Dortmund .. he plays no more than 25/30 games a season.
We need cover or better we need a couple of serious 1st squad contenders to give us width and speed ..
Walcott cannot be counted on to provide that dimension exclusively .. he’s only 18 .. we need backup
By: BB on July 24, 2007
at 12:12 pm
between rosicky’s injury problems, hlebs inability to score, walcotts inexperience (and he could be asked to play up front) and Eboue’s lack of games as a winger plus he is going to ANC, its clear we do need a winger and thats why I think wenger will buy once they get back from Austria.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 12:17 pm
Enough said about Freddie, ingrate.
I am concerned about big Phil though, if the rumours are true why do we sell all our young talent for nothing? Larsson, Bentley, Pennant, Muamba, Stokes, Lupoli and so on and when we want someone we pay 12mil for Walcott or get quoted 10mil for Davies.
It seems we could have signed Babel for 6mil last term, god he did everything but beg and he would have been a great signing.
If we’re not going to sign an out and out world class winger then why don’t we buy Drenthe before he goes, or even SW Philipps.
2 seasons ago we wanted SW but now we don’t, he is just as good in my book and will make a difference. I don’t understand it.
We talk about all this talent and I agree, but let’s not forget how far we were behind for the last 2 seasons.
By: geoff on July 24, 2007
at 12:20 pm
Geoff, Drenthe is now available for ten million plus . and Real are negotiating for him.
Pennant was a raving drunk and eventually went to jail, Lupoli was out of contract, there were no places for Muamba, Stokes, and Larsson, and playing in the reserves is terrible with only a few games during the season.
The squad needs strenghtening.
By: solgooner on July 24, 2007
at 12:27 pm
Am i missing something here but i keep hearing of Rosickys injury problems. Hes had 1 season limited by injuries but still showed he could be a success at the Arsenal. Was he “injury prone” in Germany and for his national team. Seems to me hes played a lot of games for a man with injury problems !
By: DeiseGooner on July 24, 2007
at 12:37 pm
Senderos moving on will be good for him. He’s too slow for Arsenal’s attacking style and therefore has often been found wanting. If Arsenal play defensive like 4-5-1 as they say, then Senderos will be fine, however due to the way Arsenal play, he will find it difficult to be effective. He can do well in Italy or Spain where footballing is slow. He can also do very well in defensive set-ups. I’m really disappointed with Freddie and the dig at Arsene and the club. It was not warranted and unnecessary. I thought he said he loved Arsenal and can’t play in the Premiership because of that. It was the money; he wanted to go to a club where he could still get what he got at Arsenal. Mind you, we paid him about 7million for two years and he played only 26 games and scored 2.
GEOFF
SWP won’t play for us ‘cos Chelsea won’t sell to us. Its not possible. On Senderos he’s been given tons of opportunity but still poor. Note that Sendy is 23 now and has been with the club for more than 6 years. I doubt if there is any further development left. The jury is still up for Senderos though.
By: Cecilia on July 24, 2007
at 12:40 pm
I think I’m right in saying Rosicky did not play more than 3 games in a row last season. his lay offs were always about 2-3 weeks as well which is not an insignificant time. Also I heard that at Dortmund he was exactly the same. he appeared 31 times last season compared with Fabregas’ 49. its not ideal.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 12:54 pm
Reposted from yesterday:
Please read: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/3646149.stm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5892845041950170460&q=appiah&hl=en
(C’mon AW seal the deal with this MAN)
INVINCIBLES….2007/08 Squad
1 Lehmann….Lehmann/Almunia
2 Lauren….Eboue/Sagna
3 Cole….Clichy/Traore
4 Toure….Toure/Djourou
5 Campbell….Gallas
6 Veira….Fabregas
7 Gilberto….Gilberto
8 Pires….Rosicky/Appiah*
9 Henry….Adebayor
10 Bergkamp…Van Persie
11 Ljungberg…..Walcott
12 Reyes….Da Silva
13 Edu….Diaby/Song
14 Kanu….Hleb
15 Parlour….Denilson/Flamini
16 Wiltord/Aliadiere….Bendtner
17 Keown….Hoyte
18 Cygan…Senderos/Gilbert
19 Poom….Fabianski
By: Aman on July 24, 2007
at 12:59 pm
i can,t believe how u can get it so wrong Senderos wasn,t the problem the problem was clichy and eboue with the enthusiasm of kids to go forward running into dead ends losing the ball and getting caught out of position leaving central defenders 1 against 2 trying to cover the wing and the centre
By: Damian on July 24, 2007
at 1:10 pm
Sorry missed the new thread, I was posting on yesterday’s wondering why it was queit
It seems Wengers is basing next season on a lot of gambles and risks, and too many gambles in my opinion
Will Gallas and Toure Gel
Will Dudu settle and get similar returns as in Croatia
Will Hleb improve he has had a few years
Will the Promising Rosicky get over the year to settle in and become World Class.
Will Hleb and Rosicky get the ten goals each that we used to get from Fred and RP
Will Adebayor develop any further currently not good enough
Will Bendtner develop quickly enough currently not good enough
Will RVP break the 20 goals a season barrier
Will another striker get into the 15 goals a season bracket
Will Walcott grow into a great winger for consistant periods
Can Eboue operate on the Right at a world class level
We will bank on no Striker Injuries into Jan when Ade goes to ANC,
The problem with these questions is none of them have come true yet. After saying three years ago that we were not in progression he has started every season saying that he truely believes that this squad can challenge and I know he wouldnt come out and say I dont believe in the squad but according to the board he has always had the funds available to do something about it if he didnt think they were ready,
2005 83 Points 12 behind 2nd
2006 67 points 24 behind 4th just
2007 68 points 21 behind 4th
Sorry guys it is not good enough and Arsene has 18 days to get it sorted and if we do go into next season without 2-3 Quality additions I really fear for 4th place and if we do lose the CL place and god I really hope I am wrong but Arsene’s great years of revolution would come to an incompetent finish.
I dont think it will take a lot to sort and looking at the squad, I am happy that we have adequate starting and backup players for GK, LB, RB, CB, CB and the two CM Positions but that is it, we have four key poisitons where we are very light in class LW, RW, and the Strikers. Obviously I will Dudu the chance but it is only Van Persie that gives me any confidence, Bendtner has potential and so does Ade but we need the class now not in 2-3 years. These kind of players should be growing in the Reserves and getting their chance from the bench and in the Carling Cup, they should be not be starting players in a top 4 team.
We need a class Winger and preferably one that can play on either side, and a Proven Premiership or La Liga Striker to cement our CL place and move up a level.
I understand Wengers they can only play 11 but there are 5 on the bench and when one or more of those 11 is injured, they have excellent depth to cope with it
By: Patthegooner on July 24, 2007
at 1:45 pm
wengers comment that only 11 players play at a time is so unbelievably dumb and naive, it is a squad game and our experiances with injuries in the past few years let alone the africans nations cup have shown that having 15 good players will not cut it. last year too many times people were playing out of postion ie Giberto, Diaby, Freddie, Toure, Gallas, (let alone Rosicky and helb permanently playing out of position). we need 20 quality players and are 2 or 3 short of that. Realistically nearly everyone agrees that’s what we need, but when some people write the obvious it is seen as if they are disloyal, when we all know the squad is too small in quality and quantity and seemingly shrinking by the week.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 3:45 pm
aman’s player breakdown comparing now and 2004 is about as depressing reading as you could ever have. you realize how truly great we were then.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 3:55 pm
comparing the 2004 invincibles team to current crop
1 Lehmann….Lehmann Older and worse
2 Lauren….Eboue/Sagna – About the same
3 Cole….Clichy/Traore – Slightly better now
4 Toure….Toure – Slightly Better now
5 Campbell….Gallas – Not as big but equally as good technically speaking
6 Veira….Fabregas – different types of player but about the same score
7 Gilberto….Gilberto – Better now
8 Pires….Rosicky – Pires was better but Ros is improving
9 Henry….RVP – Henry could change game single handedly
10 Bergkamp…Da Silva – Hard to call at the moment, but goalswise then EDS should take this one.
11 Ljungberg…..Walcott – If Walcott can show consistency then possibly walcott is better than fred due to pace
12 Reyes….Hleb – Hleb is better, but neither really settled well perhaps due to playing out of position?
13 Edu….Diaby – very close call but Diaby nicks it for me.
14 Kanu….Adebayor – Adebayor does far more work.
15 Parlour….Denilson/Flamini – In terms of effectiveness about even
16 Wiltord/Aliadiere….Bendtner – Hard to call at the moment but better than Aliadiere.
17 Keown….Djourou – I’d take Johan here
18 Cygan…Senderos – Sorry Cygan but you were poor
19 Almunia….Almunia/Fabianski – Fabianski looks the dogs’.
Where are we considerably worse off then?
Pires and Henry are the obvious ones, and as a defensive pair Campbell and Toure were fantastic. Sol got old and slow and was right to be let go but we have not really replaced him. Otherwise I think we are stronger in almost every other position.
Henry can never be replaced, but his goals might be by RVP and EDS. So that leaves me with Pires. Will wenger want to buy a winger who potentially comes in in front of Rosicky and or Walcott/Hleb? I would but I am not certain wenger would. He might even wait til January. Wenger quite likes the January sales.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 4:11 pm
gazzap,
where to start on your analysis, Cole and lauren where far better than eboue and clichy are, campbell was mamouth that year and far better than gallas (was last year at least anyway) as a pair Toure and campbell where much better. How can you compare Viera at that time and fabregas, they are different players, but vieira was the heart of the team, he carried the team and as good a player fab is if you are doing player on player and their imnpact on the team it is a no brainer that PV was better. RP, DB, TH and FL were miles better than the current four to compare walcott today to freddie then is ridiculus. to say dudu instead of DB due to goals is also ridiculus, firstly we have no idea yet and secondly DB added so much more, we didn’t need 20 goals from DB as RP & FL were scoring. TH in his prime to RVP now? diaby better than edu? the guy has got good potentilal but has played about 20 games!!! edu was a fantastic player. parlour or flamini are you having a laugh?
i admire your positive thoughts but have to humbly disagree with almost everything you have said.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 4:25 pm
Gazzap
In that case are you suggesting we’ll go unbeaten this year? Your analysis is an absolute insult to a great team. I can’t be bothered to go through all your tripe but hee are a couple of comments:-
EBoue/Sagna about the same as Lauren? You must be joking! That season Ralph was voted ‘best in position’ (as were six of his team mates) by his Premiership peers.
Clichy/Traore better than Cole? At Playstation maybe but Premiership forget it
Djourou better than Keown? You’re mad!
Bendtner better than Wiltord? You’re in denial!
Flamini better than Parlour? Oh please!
Edu worse than Diaby? Did you never see Edu play?
Reyes worse than Hjeb? Reyes, in his last season, achieved the top ‘assists’ in the Premiership. As long as he’s got a hole in his arse Hjeb will never achieve that!
Don’t even try to compare Freddie at his best with Walcott!
Denis Berkamp with Da Silva? Don’t insult a true genius and Arsenal legend
By: eddy pratt on July 24, 2007
at 4:35 pm
Im with Dan on this 1 Gazzap. Really we cant compare yet. And i do mean YET – 2004 actually won trophies and most if not all the players from that team were at their peak. The team we have now are full of promise. Id give this team 2 seasons at least before a comparison can be made. It took time to build the 2004 team and they all peaked about the same time. This current team because it is younger will take that little bit longer to reach maturity but will have the capacity to stay together longer and therefore (if they reach their potential) can dominate for longer. Then we may get that all important back to back league titles and holy grail that is the champs league.
By: DeiseGooner on July 24, 2007
at 4:36 pm
Dan,
Oh contraire, you actually seem to agree with most of it.
yes I did say that Sol and Toure were a great pair and they were better than the current pair. The Vieira/Pires/Henry combo was frightening at its best and we dont have equal replacements, I also said we miss Pires and Henry.
I did also say it’s hard to compare Vieira and Fabregas (did you read my post at all?). I do think that PV was more suited to the rough and tumble of prem football but cesc is better in Europe. the fact that cesc just gets kicked around at places like Blackburn/Bolton/Man City etc ruins his passing game in some situations.
I did also say TH was better than RVP (you really didn’t read it did you?)
I think our cover at right back is far better now with Sagna and Eboue. back then we only had lauren and if got injured then Toure played there.
If you think cole is better than Clichy then you are clearly a glass half empty man, at worst this is equal.
So if EDS scores 30 goals this season will you then say he was better than Bergkamp in 2004? I said it was impossible to say at the moment without seeing EDS. by the same token would you have said Bergkamp is nowhere near as good as Kevin Campbell back in 1995?? turned out he was actually rather good.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 4:42 pm
Gazzap, I don’t know where you are basing some of your judgement. Fabianski does not look the dogs bollocks. In fact, Almunia has looked it in the friendlies that I have watched. Fabianski has been flapping at crosses, but he will adapt.
Sagna has played exactly 45 minutes of a friendly which doesn’t exactly tell you alot. He was good, but it was against a 2nd rate Turkish side.
Da Silva didn’t look great against the Turkish side, but only came on for 20 minutes. He gets out on the wings which seems to be fine, but let’s reserve judgement until they play some proper opposition.
I still think that we are really light. Comparing the unbeatables this squad is really depressing reading and I see why you’d want to be optimistic because you have to be with the little choice that we have.
In the unbeatables, there were a squad with a lot of experience and players in their prime. Now, we have a few players in their prime, very short on experience and depth.
By: Begeegs on July 24, 2007
at 4:44 pm
I might add I never said this team was better than the old one. I came up with a few areas where we are considerably worse off so dont say that I think we have a new invincibles team please.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 4:45 pm
gazzap,
the thing that you fundementally miss is the 2004 were a team that were not only full of top world class players but even more importantly at the prime of their careers the current crop are a group of talented youngsters who may or may not become great players. but at present are a team full of potential and that is it. The analysis also needs to take into account that unlike in 2004 when were competing with utd alone, there is now far stronger competition from chelsea, liverpool and spurs. i was watching the spurs game from that year last week and the spurs team was filled with the likes of richards, etherington, davies, redknapp, fruend and old sheringham. as much as i hate to say it they have come so far in that time and with our fall the other way as i said i fear we ware in for a real battle for 4th.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 4:52 pm
I put the list together to show that AW has done a magnificent job rebuilding. It’s ok to compare The Invicibles to our present crop to help focus on where we we need to be asap. The potency of a team, like most things in life, goes in cycles and clearly most of those players were at their peak and/or on their last legs. We are halfway thru the new cycle, and to still be the most attractive team in the EPL (probably 2nd in Europe), with the best club stadium in England & #1 among the EPL top 4 WITHOUT overpaying for players, selling to some billionaire, or compromising our style of play in this day of sensationalism & greed is a HUMONGOUS TRIBUTE to all parties involved in the Arsenal Organization. Dein contributed but sold out. Please stand the f**k up and applaud these extremely valuable individuals, from AW, Coaching Staff, Ground Staff, Scouts, Board of Directors, Ex-Players,and while you’re at it US THE FANS that keep believing regardless!!!!
Viva joga bonito!!!!!!!!!
By: Aman on July 24, 2007
at 4:55 pm
I put the list together to show that AW has done a magnificent job rebuilding. It’s ok to compare The Invicibles to our present crop to help focus on where we we need to be asap. The potency of a team, like most things in life, goes in cycles and clearly most of those players were at their peak and/or on their last legs. We are halfway thru the new cycle, and to still be the most attractive team in the EPL (probably 2nd in Europe), with the best club stadium in England & #1 among the EPL top 4 WITHOUT overpaying for players, selling to some billionaire, or compromising our style of play in this day of sensationalism & greed is a HUMONGOUS TRIBUTE to all parties involved in the Arsenal Organization.
By: Aman on July 24, 2007
at 4:57 pm
Well, I hope that we will see a bit more bottle and commitment this weekend at the Emirates Cup. I expect to see more of what Wenger would think is his starting 11.
Also, the opposition is good, so it could be a better testament to what is being built that the other friendlies.
By: Begeegs on July 24, 2007
at 4:58 pm
yes its like comparing a 19 year old Denilson with a 30/31 year Parlour. I mean yes you might take parlour as a one off season but after that year he was finished. in contrast Denilson is captain of U19 Brazil team and who knows where he will be and what he will have acheived by the time he is 30.
its time for a few of the young players to take a bit of a step up, Walcott, Diaby, Denilson, Bentdner and RVP to name but a few. If they all do make the step up then who knows where this team could be, but its a gamble because many of them are still so young with very few older players to learn from. I think we are one of the biggest unknown quantities in the premiership going into this season.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 5:08 pm
gazzap:
I agree with your player comparison.
At the risk of some serious slaging, i will hazard that RVP at 23 is better than Henry at the same age.
By: william on July 24, 2007
at 5:09 pm
Ajax did it with a young team. If this crop of young players show no fear and have the belief in themselves that Wenger has (and hes not a bad judge of ability is he) then they can go far.
By: DeiseGooner on July 24, 2007
at 5:16 pm
William
Yes he may be but could peak too early.
In my view Adebayor comes closest to Henry style-of play-wise not RVP.
By: Aman on July 24, 2007
at 5:19 pm
William – I think that RVP is a good player, but he isn’t Henry. He may have some serious techinical ability and gravitas to pull off the unthinkable, but he doesn’t have the same pace.
That being said, there is no reason why RVP can’t be an Arsenal legend.
By: Begeegs on July 24, 2007
at 5:21 pm
gazzap,
you are correct, this current lot a complete unknown and may turn out to be better than anything previous, hopefully that will happen. if you are going to compare players, you can not compare a player from the past whose level we could see against what you hope a player will turn in to in however may years in the future. i also agree that wenger is taking a major gamble and has contradicted himself from the end of last season when his analysis of what we needed to do and the sort of players he would buy has clearly not materialised. we are not the ones who said I am going to buy “super super” players (also assuming TH was staying), he set the expectation and it is therfore not a surprise that some people are disappointed with what has transpired since the end of last season.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 5:22 pm
even if they develop well this season it is still at least one year too early for the title in my opinion. 2008-09 is the year we will really come back strong. I said that last summer and nothing has changed my opinion to date. I feel a 3rd/4th place finish is likely this season, but I think we will have more points than last season, plus we will play the most entertaining football. Of course I would love the title but we’ll have to wait.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 5:28 pm
If some bloggers had their way though gazzap the current board, Wenger and half this team would be out the door long before then……….
By: DeiseGooner on July 24, 2007
at 5:31 pm
if we finish top 4 and quarter final of CL and a domestic cup run, i think that will be a good effort. (not trying to be negative and i know i am – but having such low expectations is depressing)
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 5:31 pm
That would probably be a realistic assessment though Dan. But then again who thought ManU would have the domestic season they had ? Theres a lot of what ifs that could make or break a season. But i kinda like the dark horse / underdog tag (no hoper if you really want to be gloomy about it) This team is young and will be better suited with that then expected to win the league.
By: DeiseGooner on July 24, 2007
at 5:38 pm
certainly no one expected utd to do what they did last year, shows what a great manager ferguson is. I think their mix of youth and experiance was correct and they were very lucky with injuries and that really fell in to place for them. i agree we do not have much to lose as expectations are so low and so therefore we can hopefully all be surprised. mind you it’s not to much to ask for a couple of new players is it? especially considering how much cash we will all be paying to see them this year.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 5:45 pm
I don’t want to a cheer leader or any thing but some of you are really gloomly and the season hasn’t started. Let’s rip & tear after a few games where we can actually start to see what we have or not have as the case may be.
At the moment I think we give to much weight to what the press feeds us and the waste in the game exhibited by certain teams in signing players.
It’s summer enjoy the silly season for what it is…yes, a laugh at the scribes/hacks who want us to believe every thing they write
By: Toronto Gunner on July 24, 2007
at 5:52 pm
YW, I think you left a question mark off your headline? Senderos is not definitely next to go as implied as that is currently just paper talk.
By: Passenal on July 24, 2007
at 6:13 pm
I’m in late on this one but ManU in 93 remind me of our team, except I think we can be better.
Remember the comment from Hanson? ‘kids won’t win the premiership’
We need 2 world class wingers, not potentials but established, if we had Pires and Freddie at their peaks we would storm it.
We should have beaten Chelsea 4-0 in the CC – a couple of experienced wingers would have done that, steadied the ship but more importantly kept the other team back.
ManU had Cantona, bring them on Arsene or we’ll struggle again next term.
Don’t waste another season we’re so nearly there.
By: geoff on July 24, 2007
at 6:58 pm
i think geoff is exactly right, we could be close with a couple of good signings which is why i would love to know if wenger really thinks the squad can compete for the premiership? and if not why not buy a few players to compliment the potential we have.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 7:15 pm
Dan, DeiseGooner
This is what frustrates me, we seem to pretty much all be on the same wavelength regarding final position and that being 4th,
But it does not have to be like that, we apparently have money so why not buy two class players and then cement 4th and aim for 1st. I know people on the blogs say why stand in the way of progression and youth, but the two coming in would not necesarrily do that, instead there skills and experience would help to bring on the youth players.
I just dont understand the current Wenger logic. I know that he may still raid the Market and maybe he is waiting for Reyes, but his current party line is ‘I see no reason to buy, i will develop those already here’, What a change from I will sign 2 super super players, and too be honest I feel let down and worried
By: Patthegooner on July 24, 2007
at 7:28 pm
patthegooner,
i agree with you 100%. i totally do not understand what is going on in his mind and find it all so frustrating. i get wound up thinking that we are his little project to see if he can fight the big spending bad guys, and if not he can just walk away.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 7:44 pm
AW has taken a lot of flack about the break up of the great Invincibles but let’s look at the facts.
It was the magnificent culmination of the DB10, PV4, Le Bob & TH14 era. They were backed by some tremendous players but we were to find out that surgery was going to be needed.
If you look at the players that have left & why they went it might make some of the gloomers realise what a magnificent achievement it has been to stay in the top 4 whilst almost totally restructuring the team.
PV4- Paddy was still a v good player but he had lost the surge that made him special. All the games I have seen him play since he left he has not been the same. He played 20 games for Inter last season.
Le Bob- Well into his 30s and though still v capable he was starting to pick his games. I would have given him the 2 years though. IMO he is the 1 we miss most of all.
DB10- Late 30s Retired & it was the right time to go.
Cashlie- No comment other than he is the least missed.
Ralph- The injury got him. Tragedy because of all the senior players he was the 1 putting most effort in.
Freddie- Too unreliable because of the injuries.
Edu- Great player but always injured. He has played 16 games for Valencia since he left mainly because of another serious injury.
Campbell- Just lost it, maybe it was a confidence thing but the West Ham episode was the end for him. His main asset was his athletisism & although he was an excellent defender he was not a great footballer.
TH14- The only 1 who appears to have gone elsewhere because he really wanted to.
Parlour, Cygan- they had served us well but at that stage were only going to be squad players so it was right to let them move on.
In my opinion if we had gone into last season with those players we would not have done anywhere near as well as our current team did.
Whilst loosing those players over the 3 seasons AW had the option of trying to replace them via by buying established players via the transfer market, at a time when the Chavs were paying double top $$ for anyone 1/2 decent, or taking the route he has by assembling the best young talent & welding them into a team of great potential.
The question I have asked many times & have never had an answer to is:
Who out there could we have found let alone bought who would adequately replace PV4, Le Bob, DB10 & now TH14, & how much would that cost?
I think AW has taken the right path & I tend to agree with Gazzap’s comment 67 but this season is not out of the question given a fair wind.
Sorry about the long post.
By: Flint McCullough on July 24, 2007
at 7:56 pm
I guess Freddie is entitled to say his feelings. And they’re not that different from what a lot of us have felt. (i.e. We we hoping for great things last few seasons, and how things actually turned out has been a big disappointment.)
Of course as a fan you always have that streak of wild optimism. And around this time last year, a lot of us were hoping and believing that Gallas, Rosicky and Baptista would really be the business.
Remember when The Beast’s arrival was exciting?
But we’ve had a few years now of hoping like that, and it’s not turned out.
At the mo, my guess of our chances is this:
Probability of winning the league: 10%
Prob of finishing second, third or fourth: 75%
Prob of finishing fifth: 15%
As a fan, of course I like to dream and believe.
On the other hand, if I look objectively everyone else in the top five is definitely a fair bit stronger next season than they were in either of the last two.
People have said no-one fancied United last season. Maybe not, but United only improved their points total from 83 in 2005-6 to 89 in 2006-7. They won cos Chelski dropped from 91 to 83.
We meantime improved from a measly 67 to a magnificent 68.
The three year trends:
United: 77 83 89
Chelski: 95 91 83
Arsenal: 83 67 68
Liverpool: 58 82 68
Spurs: 52 65 60
Starting from there, even if we do pull off a really big improvement this season, it’s still not likely to be in the ball park to win the Prem.
So, as I’ve said before, I’d be thrilled with 80 points this season. That’d be a huge step up for us right now.
By: Torchwolf on July 24, 2007
at 8:14 pm
FLINT,
I think most people would agree with the comments about the breakup of that team, would agree that due to financial restraints the only real route to go was with younger players and develop them. would accept that a fall in standards and less trophies was inevitable. however i think now with the stadium built and the fact that everything seems to suggest that they do have money to spend (a lot he earned through selling players past their sell by date) that this summer on the back of two rebuilding years and the improvement of our main rivals, was a time when we would step it up a level and bring in some quality experianced players to use his expression “super super” players. I am certainly not slagging off the new players, but they are clearly second level players who are unlikely to take us back to competing for championships and do not fullfil his description of what he was going for. He has become too reliant on the younger players and the team does not have the correct blend. which again is something he said at the end of last season, before he sold his most experianced players.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 8:28 pm
Spend Spend Spend.
Is the general theme everywhere on the radio, newspaper and tv.
It is plain stupid and ignorant.
The balance of the side is very good. We may need another player, but who are we to tell a manager of 20years experience what he needs.
By: William on July 24, 2007
at 8:43 pm
torchwolf, interesting to see Liverpool went from 58 to 82 points 2 years ago, a massive 24 point improvement. it shows big swings can be acheived. the same swing would see us on 92 points next season!
I think there is a possibility that wenger has given too much responsibilty to Cesc. he often picks out one player and builds the team around them and this time its Cesc. Now I love to watch Cesc but I am coming to the conclusion that because he has to play every game, sometimes our tactics for beating ugly physical teams are not right.
I just feel more brute force players might be of greater use. I remember Diaby and Denilson making Bolton look like little boys in the FA cup at the Reebok. Fab and Gilberto never did that, well certainly not in a bully-boy way anyhow. that physical presence that PV4 used to give us is still sorely missed in some games. Our downward swing from 83 to 67 (a drop of 16 points) 2 seasons ago coincided with PV4 leaving. Of course he has had his best days, but we still miss that type of player in the midfield, especially as Diaby hardly gets the play there.
If I was arsene’s assistant I would be saying, ‘Look let rest Cesc in some games and get the big guns out in the middle of the park.’ when I see Hleb, Cesc, Gilberto and Rosicky lining up against some physical team on a bumpy muddy pitch I just think, This is not going to work. but wenger has his vision and he is a stubborn man.
I think the current squad is very nearly there, but sometimes the use of it bothers me.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 9:06 pm
William
How is spend to acumulate ignorant and stupid, I think it more about staying competitive. Great Arsenal are in profit with regard to buying and selling, but if we had spent 20m of that on class we may have won double that back in final league and cup positions.
I imagine the difference between 4th and Champions League and 5th and Uefa Cup is worth tens of millions
Money that could and should be buying the quality of players to keep us in there and above. The gap between us and Spuds is getting closer and it is only their amazing ability to cock things up that gives me any faith in coming 4th.
The Balance isn’t right we are gambling on developing players to make vast improvements since they last kicked a competitive ball 3 months ago. We are 2-3 proven experienced quality players short, 2 wingers and a Striker. Arsene is playing a massive gamble, I just hope I am wrong
And who are we to question a Manager
We are the fans that pay a lot of money to keep the club in Buisness so we have a vested interest in the running of it and following remarks not only from Freddie but also from Gallas who is still and Arsenal Player, we should be concerened that all things are not rosy.
By: Patthegooner on July 24, 2007
at 9:29 pm
TORCHWOLF
Factor in that we lost our top strikers, Henry and RVP for long periods of the season. We would have done better if they had been around and allowing us to put Craptista on the bench.
By: Harlan on July 24, 2007
at 9:32 pm
again patthegooner is correct, why shouldn’t we question what wenger’s doing, we pay his wages and were here long before he was and will be her long after he has left.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 9:37 pm
pat / dan
I don’t think that it is wrong for questions to be asked; the problem we have is that we do not see the players day in, day out to assess what, if any progress, has been made by the existing players and what the newcomers are capable of. This makes a crucial difference between our opinions and his. That does not mean the validity of comments is lost on either side.
However, what we have to accept is that AW has more information available to him about the players we ‘like’ and their personalities, their strengths and weaknesses which with all due respect to you all, means he is better informed. Picking the team is probably the easiest part of his job; judging the balance of the squad more difficult. At the end of the day, AW will have been asking the same questions we have; at the moment, he has different answers.
We can ask the questions but don’t necessarily expect the right answers verbally. The answers come to use a cliche, on the pitch.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 24, 2007
at 9:53 pm
Yogi, all very true. we will never know what he is thinking and will have to wait for the autobiography!!!!
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 9:58 pm
yogi,
i do think wenger is living on past glories mind you and is not held as accountable as other managers with similar expectations and results in the past few years.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 10:04 pm
this is exactly why wenger will sign a contract with a get out clause after each season. if he feels he has not delivered what the fans expect as a minimum from him and his team then he will leave.
the thing with wenger is he does all the hard work and then falls down at the easy bit. he finds all these little gems from round the world and develops them. just a couple more of the right players would propel us from being resigned to 4th spot and knowing we have a real chance at the title. we have the money so they dont have to be unknown players.
By: gazzap on July 24, 2007
at 10:07 pm
Fair point YW.
Gazzap – I strongly expect Wenger to rotate the team a bit more this season given his comments about ‘balance’ at the end of last season. I think his experimental line up at Portsmouth was not just about the limited options he had available at the time, I think he was trying something out. He seems very keen on the idea of versatile players so I wouldn’t be surprised to see some defenders in midfield in certain games and more mixing and matching up front.
By: Passenal on July 24, 2007
at 10:11 pm
Buying quality or trusting emerging talent are both gambles.
Wenger’s gambling with a huge amount of information at his disposal.
I wonder if sometimes people understand how hard working, motivated, selfless and commited to his work Wenger is.
The assumption that spending 20 million on a player is an indication of his quality is wrong. Especially now.
Torres at £20 million is a huge gamble, some people think it is worth taking. Wenger prefers Adebayor at £7 with faults he believe’s he can fix.
While Liverpool’s fans will be delighted with their big money signings. The discontent in the camp will creep up slowly.
Kuyt after one season where he is barely given the kind of run in the team that will enable him adapt and develop.
Same goes for Crouch, Garcia, Bellamy, Morientes, Pennant.
Compare that with RVP, We got him 3 season’s ago and have gradually brought him through.
That is the kind of Gamble Wenger likes, and it is the kind of gamble that your odds are a lot better.
After Henry’s departure it was certain Wenger will not bring someone ahead of RVP this season, cos he believe’s RVP has the quality to replace Henry.
People have now turned the off season into a Big-Name-Buying league.
By: William on July 24, 2007
at 10:16 pm
Passenal:
Good observation. People should listen to Wenger’s comments.
He lamented the weaknesses that had to be addressed against physical sides in some of his interviewsl
With RVP and Adebayor leading the attack, we will not be bullied up front. Sagna was also brought in to address that. It may not have been apparent to some the right was a weakness last season.
I fancy our chances to do well this season and win something. We may not win the league but we will have shout at both Champions League and domestic cups.
By: William on July 24, 2007
at 10:24 pm
but william the gamble as of yet hasn’t worked, we went from the best team in the country to the 4th best team in the country and no where near the the top two teams and being chased closer by those below. maybe things will change this year and we will suddenly get close to them but that is based more on hope than anything else. spurs have got much closer to us by spending money full stop. i am not suggesting to go out and spend silly money, i agree that for example the money on torres was too much, but that doesn’t mean you don’t supplement your squad with solid acquisitions.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 10:25 pm
“spurs have got much closer to us by spending money”
Dan, the season has not started yet, how can you say that? You may turn out to be right, but let’s wait until the season kicks off and we see whether spurs have spent their money wisely or whether Wenger’s approach may just be right.
By: Passenal on July 24, 2007
at 10:36 pm
i was talking about in general from 2004. as i mentioned earlier i was watching the 2004 derby with them and they had fruend, richards, etherington, sheringham, redknap. keller, complete and utter dross. they were a mid table team. in the past three years they have spent a fortune, from where who the hell knows, but the result is you can not deny they are now seriously knocking on the door of the top four. the players they have now have all been bought as part of an agressive charge to make the breakthrough. as of this year hopefully we have enough to keep them at bay, but who knows i am sure it will be close.
By: dan on July 24, 2007
at 10:43 pm
The problem is two-fold at Arsenal this summer. Firstly the departure of Henry has left a gap and we don’t know who will fill it. The ‘obvious’ answer is RvP who if he had not lost half a season may well have exceeded twenty five league goals such had been his form. But he *did* lose half a season so we don’t know. He might not have scored again. We just don’t know.
Secondly, with others signing ‘known’ players we are stepping into the unknown; we have gone down the ‘tried and trusted’ route of AW finding a gem, we hope. The problem is that we won’t know until the season kicks off in earnest what is happening with the team so it is of concern. Perhaps if someone bangs in ten goals in the next five games, some fears will be alieviated to a degree. But scoring in friendlies means nothing other than confidence boosting. Additionally, we don’t know if the signings are ’solid’ – we won’t until they are called into action.
A big step into the unknown which understandably is causing some consternation. It is not a leap of blind faith to believe that it is possible for this squad to ’surprise’ us all but by the same token it is not easy to keep an open mind and have some faith that perhaps things may not be as bad as is feared.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on July 24, 2007
at 10:44 pm
Absolutely YW – but isn’t it our role as supporters to try to have some faith and belief in our team? There are many talented players in the squad but some can’t seem to see beyond what others are doing rather than opening their minds to the possibilities right in front of them. There are many out there who only seem to focus on the weaknesses of some of our players whilst lauding other teams’ purchases as if they have no weaknesses themselves. Wenger is the manager and he is doing what he is paid to do. No amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth is going to influence him so why not just accept that the team is the team and get on with supporting them? I’m very concerned that all the negativity and unrealistic expectations that passes will never be misplaced, games will never be lost etc will convey itself to the team and destroy their confidence before they even start.
By: Passenal on July 24, 2007
at 10:59 pm
I think the judgement of Freddie has been rather harsh. Let’s be honest, if Wenger really wanted him to stay he’d still be here. I’m sure Freddie knew that. What would you expect him to do, say to the West Ham fans, “Oh I’m here cuz I’m no longer wanted..”???? Get real. Put yourself in Freddie’s shoes for a moment. You want to stay at the club that made you famous; you want to stay working with the manager that mentored you…but you know deep down inside the love isn’t flowing from the other direction. He accepts this and decides to go abroad to Italy; one of the bonus’ being that he won’t be playing for another EPL team due to respect for the fans. Sweet notion but in reality, the Italian club doesn’t have the funds to pay him what he wants and what Arsenal want to sell him for. Okay, two things here. First off, if I were in Freddie’s shoes I don’t know that I’d give a damn about most of the fans’ so-called feelings. We, as a whole, did nothing but slate him and call him dead weight. You think he wasn’t aware of that somehow? Trust me, I live and work in Los Angeles and I know the celebrity ego can be both a fragile and stupendously juvenile, egomanical thing. I’m sure Freddie ‘KNEW’. I mean just about everyone on the blogs, websites etc. had nothing nice to say. Second, would any of you here want to do the same job for half the money? No? Thought not. So why would Freddie, or any other footballer for that matter. He was on 65,000 a week at Arsenal, he would’ve been on 30,000 a week at Fiorentina. West Ham were able to match his wages and, bonus for him, he wouldn’t have to leave his beloved London and learn a new culture, language etc. in a new country. In the end, Freddie did what most of us would have done….he thought about number one. Would any one of you done any different in shoes? WELL…WOULD YOU???
By: freddiegirl on July 24, 2007
at 11:28 pm
Gazzap,
Agree that PV4’s physical presence is sorely missed, and has a lot to do with the drop in points. And lovely as Cesc’s footie is, it isn’t always what is needed to win games.
And to be honest, the opposition CM combos look mighty impressive:
Hargreaves/Scholes, Lampard/Essien, Mascherano/Gerrard
And plenty of other good options besides.
By: Torchwolf on July 25, 2007
at 12:22 am
Freddie was well past it and he had to go just to release his wage.
The most interesting comment by Arsene Wenger was the fact that Eboue was put in the list of those who can play wide midfield.
EBOUE will play RIGHT SIDE MIDFIELD to provide more crosses.
So it means that the right side with Hleb, Walcott, Eboue is sorted.
I would not be surprised if Arsene Wenger were to pull another left-sided midfield player out of his hat. The released fund would allow to buy a young up and coming left winger without breaking the bank and our wage structure.
Senderos is going nowhere (unless another centre-half that could play on the left is purchased). With Toure going to the ANC, we will be left with only with Gallas, Djourou and Senderos as recognized experience centre-halves. If Gallas were to be injured, we would have to use somebody from the youth or reserve team. The new Nortweilt is only 17 and will be played in the Carling Cup to get accustomed to the Fast and Furious English way of playing football.
I also believe that Wenger will rotate more than he used to. He will also start to adapt his team to the opposition. For Bolton he put bigger and more physical players. Last season against Bolton in centre midfield Diaby and Denilson were doing the bullying which was a change with the way Cesc and Silva were usually forced into submission.
By: Valentin on July 25, 2007
at 12:51 am
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By: Top Posts « WordPress.com on July 25, 2007
at 12:58 am
TorchWolf:
“Hargreaves/Scholes, Lampard/Essien, Mascherano/Gerrard”
Jeez.
“Cesc/Gilberto” What is so bad about this combination? I am wholly comfortable with them as our central midfield pairing. With cover being provided by Denilson, Diaby, Rosicky, Flamini.
Did anyone here watch the Copa America final? It is a team game always and Wenger’s priority as should be every coach’s is to get his team functioning best. All midfielders mentioned here have strengths and weaknesses, and none stands head and shoulder above another.
I will say of all of them Cesc is the likely one to be World Player of the year.
I got a smile on my face thinking about it.
By: William on July 25, 2007
at 6:38 am
DEFENCES WINS THE LEAGUE ..AND WE HAVE THE BEST DEFENCE NOW..SENDEROS TO STAY AS IT IS HE IS 4TH CHOICE AND YOUNG..AND AN INTERNATIONAL..NO SENSE IN THAT RUMOUR
By: adc on July 25, 2007
at 7:57 am
Comaprison of top sides..
drogba
sheva
pizzario
kalou
rooney
tevez
saha
smith
ole
dasilva
rvp
adebayor
bentdner
kuyt
torres
crouch
where do we stand?
By: adc on July 25, 2007
at 8:01 am
wingers
ronaldo
giggs
nani
ji sung
flethcer
malouda
robben
joe cole
wright phillips
rosicky
hleb
theo
eboue
pennant
kewell
By: adc on July 25, 2007
at 8:05 am
CM
scholes
carrick
hargreaves
anderson
ballack
lampard
essien
maklele
cesc
gilberto
diaby
denilson
gerrard
alonso
sissoko
mascherano
By: adc on July 25, 2007
at 8:07 am
centreal defencders
ferdinand
vidic
brown
silvestre
terry
ricardo
ten ham bein
alex
toure
gallas
djourou
senderos
carrigher
sami hyppia
By: adc on July 25, 2007
at 8:10 am
adc,
I think we are about equal up front, in front in central midfield (if Diaby and Denilson are used in the right way), way behind on the wings (especially of Chelsea), and behind in central defence – behind all three.
but as william says its a team game and if arsenal can start functioning like an organised unit we can overcome anything. Each part of the team has to work in harmony with the positions directly around it and all 11 players need to be on the same wavelength. Brazil showed that can be done with only one star player in their team.
As an illistration of how we can use horses for courses, I’d like to see a team like this used at Blackburn away:
GK
Sagna Toure/Gallas Djourou Clichy
Eboue Gilberto Diaby Rosicky
Ade EDS/RVP
then if we need a goal late on get cesc on for Eboue and go 4-3-3. These are the sorts of things I want to see AW trying this season.
By: gazzap on July 25, 2007
at 9:54 am
Gazzap will not be fit enough to play against Blackburn he only comes back the previous week.
BTW you can see the Salzburg game tonight on Sopcast
By: solgooner on July 25, 2007
at 11:22 am
true, I forgot that. I know you meant Gilberto since I am always available to play for the team if needed.
can you see AW using Cesc and Diaby or will we need a further body in there like Denilson or Flamini? and dont mention Song.
either way you get my point about how we can use the squad differently for different types of games.
By: gazzap on July 25, 2007
at 12:38 pm
dan its not that depressing
our team has gained 2 years of experience and is still a young side we have exiting players like merida and bendtner who i believe could become world class players
I believe this year AW will go for eboue on the right mid Hleb will be benched or shoved out left if rosicky is injured
———————–Lehman
—Sagna——Toure——Gallas——Clichy
Eboue—Gilberto————-Cesc———-Rosicky
—————Van Persie————Eduardo
subs
Walcott
Adebayor
Bendtner
Hleb
Diaby
Denilson
Traore
Fabiansky
By: THE SILVER GUNNER on July 25, 2007
at 12:42 pm
I happen to think Walcott will be in front of Eboue for that position but its a long season and things can change. Equally, I could be wrong. But yes Hleb and Rosicky to cover the left seems plausible. you can see why AW might say we have enough players because in terms of number he is right, we do. but I think fans would question whether those four wingers are really going to be good enough for a tilt at the title that in a recent wenger interview, he said we were going for.
does he seriously think our 4 are better than Malouda, Cole, SWP and Robben?
By: gazzap on July 25, 2007
at 1:44 pm
Gazzap my worry is that Cesc is not played all the time like last year, he was knackered by the middle of April. I agree with you Song should go he was good at Charlton maybe they will take him back. He was one of Wengers worst buys.
Drenthe was a bargain, dont understand how we missed out.
By: solgooner on July 25, 2007
at 4:45 pm
I think Walcott will be used more as a striker this year having done his time on the right wing last season, I really think Eboue is the best out and out right winger we have.
By: THE SILVER GUNNER on July 25, 2007
at 5:20 pm
silver
not likely .
walcott looks way too good on right wing for wenger to
put him upfront, im sure whilst fit and available they will run
with ade,rvp,dudu in rotation in the striker role(and bentner will get some chances too im sure). walcott will only slot into the strikers role if really down on numbers or injuries occur . I cant see eboue being happy about sagna . im sure they will rotate , or sagna will move across the back 4 ,in a space that is available ,and eboue will stay at RB.
mind you if walcott fires up and scores at will , it would be hard to deny.
they will obviously (currently) use RVP as the main striker , and i cant see them paying 8 mil for dudu just to sit on the bench .. he is a natural goal scorer and i cant see wenger putting dudu on the wing.
but i do feel wenger will try to mix it up a bit position wise
By: ethan_gooner on July 25, 2007
at 6:06 pm
Nil Nil at half time and not the most exciting of games.
Lehmann has taken a couple of crosses well under pressure but nothing else to do
Diaby is playing well, he is probably best player on the park at the moment,
Rosicky went off after half an hour but I think it was planned as Hleb went left and Eboue went RM. since then he has just played like Hleb.
Same old Same old really, sublime build up play at times, but as soon as we get on line with the Penalty box it is like a Red light is put up and it all goes static. Honestly we haven’t created a single opportunity.
Eboue aint a winger Wenger, please buy one
Apart from that not a lot, oh Eduardo da saviour is playing, although he is showing more link up play than fox in the box. V Persie has not had much more than a long shot.
I know its a friendly but it is just a continuation of last season……..at the moment, hopefully it will be a better second half
By: Patthegooner on July 25, 2007
at 6:58 pm
Ultimately, Wenger spends four years building for one year of glory whereas Fergie spends one year building for four years of glory.
By: crafty bison on July 25, 2007
at 7:59 pm
It Didnt get much better
Conclusions
1) Diaby is Class and possibly could be better that PV4
2) Eduardo does get himself in the right places but needs to sharpen, hopefully that will come
3) Aliadiere er I mean Bendtner is a Reserve team player at the moment, we cant gamble our season on the need to actually play him if the others get injured or even as the striker on the bench.
4) Eboue is not a Right Winger
5) They said Rosciky was injured, I pray it is not long-term
6) same old story as last seson, dizzy in the box
7) Despite his effort and build up play Hleb just wont shoot and when he does you can see why, not good enough for a starting position in a top four Premiership team, hopefully Walcott will rescue us
So overall, it didnt really raise the gloom of pre-season. Ok the Austrian team are three weeks into the season and I can accept a defeat, its the manner of the defeat that is dissapointing, to be that poor three games in is not good and they are not gettting any better.
I know you will slate me, but if Mr Wenger does not buy in class b4 August the 12th he is taking a big risk with our football club and I for one am getting pretty annoyed as the same thing has happened the last two summers.
‘I dont feel the need to buy any more players’
Please wake up Mr Wenger.
By: Patthegooner on July 25, 2007
at 8:17 pm
Diably was inaccurate at passing under 40% he also did some very dodgy tackling just like Ebuoe.
Eduardo doesnt seem strong enough.
Hleb was average, and didnt shoot.
If things continue like this Kroenke and DD will ,be welcomed with open arms
By: solgooner on July 25, 2007
at 8:36 pm
Patthegooner
correct on the analysis, surely people can not be surprised by the “same as last year” (no I mean from 7 weeks ago!!!) we have gone backwards squad wise, why does anyone think things are going to be better this year. shame wenger will stick to his guns and take us further down the toilet, glad i have spent 110 quid for sunday!!!!
By: dan on July 25, 2007
at 8:50 pm
Me too
Now I am back in the country this will be the first opportunity to get up to the Emirates and I have been really looking forward to it, but feeling pretty down
I am looking forward to seeing the old boys though who would probably both still get a game
It will be interesting to sense the atmosphere and vibes around the ground, this blog is a very positive one but some of the others are nearly calling for his head, I dont want that but another 4th or worse and that gang will come to be the majority not the minority
By: Patthegooner on July 25, 2007
at 8:57 pm
his comments after the game were the usual, happy with the performance and could have scored five, god help us!!!!
By: dan on July 25, 2007
at 9:01 pm
Just watched it dan
Highlights of the Interview
“Eduardo could have scored four,” Wenger told ArsenalTV. “He looked very dangerous, and he has shown he is top quality.
“Sagna was also solid, it was his first game but he did well.”
Wenger insisted he was happy with his side’s display and felt it provided important practice for breaking down defences in the Premier League this season.
“I’m happy with how we played, and with the spirit shown, the result was not important,” he said.
“We knew the last 20 minutes would be difficult, but we should have scored five before they scored.
“They were very defensive, which is what we face in our league, and we created plenty of chances.”
I think he was watching the Liverpool pre-season friendly game on 3D video specs, because I saw no spirit just a re-run of last season
Plenty of chances, we didnt have one on target in the first half,
Poor, I know he has the Squads morale to think about but sometimes his post match comments are baffling and completely arse
By: Patthegooner on July 25, 2007
at 9:14 pm
that was so last season. it was a re-run of sheffield united. not a lot of positives to take. Diaby had an OK game but fouled too much.
Where was Ade and Walcott? they need to be ready for Fulham because they are key players for us. Walcott looked the sharpest the other night but not involved at all here.
Rosicky is always bloody injured. we know this now so this can be planned for. a left winger is an absolute 100% must.
I dont like to hear wenger saying that it was a good game and we should have won by 5. that actually p1sses me off more than the fact we lost. I want to hear something like, It was a useful game to tell us where we are and what we need before the season starts…etc.
Oh god, if we have another one like last season I am going to feel like shit for another year and I cant bear it. WENGER, WAKE UP MAN, changes are needed here.
By: gazzap on July 25, 2007
at 9:27 pm
Crafty Bison
Sir ALex buy a defender at 30+ and a 17 year old at 28+, Arsene hasn’t got that money. Sir Alex has been buying the league for years is now that he’s been challenged in the buying match by Chelsea and Liverpool.
By: harlan on July 25, 2007
at 10:52 pm
William,
Cesc/Gilberto is not bad at all. They’re both great players.
But we were talking about missig PV4. And our first choice CM pairing is less of a physical presence than what the other big three will have.
Which might not matter so much if our other midfielders were battlers, but they’re not either.
Not slagging them off individually. Just that the whole mix seems not right.
Meanwhile, Salzburg… Well I’d like to be upbeat, I really would. But “We could’ve scored five or six, but in fact we lost” is beginning to sound like a broken record.
By: Torchwolf on July 26, 2007
at 12:05 am
when was wenger furious with his players last…????? he always says..they had spirit ..we shud have won etc..but hasnt really scoulded them..there shud be no substitute winning..playing beautiful is great..but no substitute..winning is habit…
By: adc on July 26, 2007
at 7:32 am
Same old, same old .. rubbish ..
no width, no penetration, no goals
By: BB on July 26, 2007
at 9:53 am