Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | July 17, 2007

PHW On It All

Peter Hill-Wood is reported in this morning’s papers as being ‘positive’ or ‘begging’ Arsene to sign a new Contract, depending on which version of events you choose to believe. Whichever way the Club play this negotiation is going to be influenced by the particular hacks viewpoint; if they have made their bed in the ‘Arsenal in crisis’ viewpoint, they will be reporting this as almost an ‘Alamo’ type action by the Board, scared into action by their reports of interest from Spain. The broadsheets are giving the quotes from PHW the positive spin that is evident from his own optimism that the contract will be signed in the near future. That he was so chipper cannot be of any surprise as it is a rare occasion indeed when the story that he is speaking about is a positive one rather than one in which rats are abandoning a sinking ship or so we are told.

In an interview on Arsenal.com the Chairman divulged that they had been in discussion which will hopefully lead to ’something positive’ in the ‘not too distant future‘. You would not expect him to say anything else really; if the talks had gone badly, I doubt he would have spoken out right now, especially with Arsene and the squad in Austria, allowing a media that is determined to present us as a club in crisis in some quarters with all too many ready to believe it, as PHW notes.

Which is an expected response but not too far from the truth, after all, you would not expect the Chairman to come out and say, ‘Chaps, we’re screwed‘. The important thing though is that Wenger signs his new contract. In terms of the media coverage, obviously the sooner the better to cut off their panic-stricken drivel at the knees. For Arsenal though, it is just important that he signs. It is not for the obvious reason of players futures linked to his own; it is important that this is done to allow proper succession planning so that at all levels, the Club staff see that the ‘Wenger Project’ is not going to be allowed to peter out with his eventual departure / retirement / move upstairs, whichever eventuality happens. The whole set-up from youth to senior levels is such that it must continue, unless proven to have failed. The worst thing that could happen for the Club is that the system that is in place now is ripped apart because of a differing footballing philosophy. Too much time, effort and money has been invested in the infrastructure to allow flux to pervade whilst it is dismantled and rebuilt. Those who complain about a lack of trophies now would do well to bear that in mind; a new start, a new structure takes time to evolve and unless the new incumbent is extremely lucky, will not bear immediate fruit.

The headline grabbing stuff in the papers is about Wenger but the ‘interesting’ points reveal a different persona to that which is widely perceived amongst some of the fanbase. Ridiculed as a ‘duffer’ with ties to the establishment, a throwback, he is surprisingly clear cut about Highbury. Not at all nostalgic for it is the gist of his words, a place consigned to history because it had outlived its’ usefulness. Not, I am sure, a dismissal of the Stadium, for he as much as anyone else would have very close ties to the place. Yet he is surprisingly brutal in his words, not allowing any misty-eyed looks any longer as he is ferried past where it once stood. Provided that is carried over into other areas, and a viewpoint shared by other Board members. there is room for optimism about the Club’s future in building a solid base upon which to build in the new Stadium. That is not rule out a change of ownership, that part is inevitable although to whom is not so certain at this moment in time, the end of the 2007-08 season will make Kroenke’s position clear on that front.

He was remarkably optimistic, even by my standards, about the playing staff. Whilst we are not in as good as position as we’ve ever been - the 2003/04 squad will see off allcomers on that front - the squad is more than capable of being amongst the top two this season, provided we are afforded the ‘luck’ that all title challenging sides require. That will need a step-up when visiting places like Goodison, St James’ Park, Craven Cottage, etc., but I always believe in Gary Player’s adage, ‘The harder I work, the luckier I get‘. If the players pull that to front of their mind on the afternoons and evenings ahead, anything is possible.

’til Tomorrow.

Responses

YW

The Palacio “rumour” has been confirmed as a hoax…well done given all the subsequent press coverage (all the way back to Argentina !)
http://bocajnews.blogspot.com/

I still believe this leaves us short of a winger/striker player…
T.

I went on one of the last tours of Highbury. What struck me was how small and compact (and run down) the stadium was. The changing rooms were horrible with shower heads installed above the bath and cheap municipal toilets. I’m sure H-W realises the step up the new stadium gives the club, it is one of the finest stadiums in the world, easily on a par with the Nou Camp which is dated (Barca are about to refurbish). Interestingly Liverpool have scrapped their initial plans for a stadium similar to ours for a new design allowing expansion to 80,000 seats. The Emirates of course can’t be expanded.

As for Hill-Wood I’ve been told he likes his booze and the problem remains none of the current board have the contacts and football nouse that Dein had this will inevitably create problems. My money is on a Dein/Kroneke takeover next summer (they are definately working together).

An interesting observation on the Freddie situation presumably Dein negotiated his 4 year contract. Not the cleverest piece of business. Probably his problem is he got too close/matey with the players.

I go the other way on this. If it didn’t look likely I reckon PHW wouldn’t have said anything at all. Remember his comments a few weeks ago about not knowing what was going on with the TH14 saga.

AW is not going anywhere. Didn’t he say just a couple of days ago that he has made a promise to these young kids he has brought here that he will look after them. He shares his vision with his players so they can share in it together. That’s why players love to play for him. He will finish this project. Nothing further to be said.

Thought I’d separate post issues. Thanks for noting the stadium talk.

People don’t like change and do form emotional ties to physical things associated with fond memories. But the club is not a physical thing and the longterm health of the club required the move. The stadium is what will allow the club to fight off any takeover as it will allow AFC to compete in the transfer market without private investment (i.e. generate income and a capital base, not just debt or moneybags benefactor).

The club has been run responsibly and sensibly and we have had our successes over the past decade. I think we are at a healthy time too. Let’s not chase shadows. Let’s enjoy what Arsene is building for us.

YW
”re:arsene signing.

In terms of the media coverage, obviously the sooner the better to cut off their panic-stricken drivel at the knees. For Arsenal though, it is just important that he signs.”
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It took some time to see it my way.. :)
but im glad youve finally come to your sences
If he signed 6 weeks ago like i rambled on about then,
none of this drivel would have hampered our club ..

Henry is getting a divorce to his Mrs . some punters
are speculating that ,this was the real reason for the move abroad. I did silently wonder why henry wanted to uplift his family to spain .. i just thought he was a selfish SOB. but rumour has it , he’s looking for his new wife in the casinos there :)
well all i can say to that is ‘always bet on black ‘ :)

on the PHW subject , if anyone was in his shoes ,you would do the same, holding on tight to the leadership role ! ,
lets think a second that this new stadium (or money printing machine) was 3 years in construction plus another 2/3 years in probable permits - planning submissions etc.

say you save every penny you earned for the past 5 years to buy a new state of the art stadium all the going without etc. to just give it away to some greedy american that can spin a dollar (phw perception) . all within 11 months of it opening .
i think kronke might have a helpful hand to play in this club.
but i would say everyone is dreaming if you think that a take over is around the corner.. Unless kronke throws obscene amounts of money to the board ..

its like me building my DREAM house for 18 months then
2 weeks after its completion , just handing over to the real estate company to sell it !! Anyone who thinks hillwood wont be around long is dreaming!

Adam

You and I agree about the ’silence’ if AW had not signed or even spoken to Club. Whilst everything should move on for the better, I think people will have been surprised that PHW has cut Highbury off, especially as his family ties to the place were substantial.

YW

One area that I’d like to see the club improve - off the pitch - is their public relations strategy, particularly during the end of season/summer months when nobody is around to speak up positively for the club.

Arsenal could definitely use a “West Wing” style Director of Communications & Press Secretary, to address any negative media coverage - whenever it occurs. Step forward Toby & CJ!

Please don’t go all sensible on us Ethan - we need the debate!!

You might get some patience next & some rose tinted glasses to go with it!

What exactly do you want them to do Magneto?

Make Real / Barca type statements about who we are going to buy?

Have AW with no well earned break so he can give daily interviews?

It is a 24 hour news with most of it made up bollox so it would be irresponsible to confirm or deny the latest pile of crap.

We Gooners have to be patient and wait ’till it actually happens so a genuine announcement can be made.

What is important is that AW is getting the support from all of us for his project.

Ethan

>It took some time to see it my way…
>but im glad youve finally come to your sences.
>If he signed 6 weeks ago like i
>rambled on about then, none of this drivel would have
>hampered our club ..

I’ve not changed my view so perhaps you have or even misread mine….It is important he signs but the deal has to be right for him; be that now or in four weeks or four months. Unless the Club drops a complete ricket on or off the pitch it is highly likely he will do so.

As for Henry, I have no interest in his private life. Genuinely, I do not need to know anything about any celebrities life; I find it distasteful the way ’stars’ sell their weddings, sell their lives and then moan about lack of privacy. For those that don’t, they are tarred by the same media brush. If he is having difficulties, he should be afforded privacy to resolve them for the best for his family. It’s basic common decency to do so. The only people who are interested in the divorce outside of reporters, are those whose own lives are so shallow that they have nothing else to fill the void.

Or those who slagged off the Club for letting him go and think they might now be wrong

YW

vivb
The Emirates of course can’t be expanded.

Take it from me anything can be expanded !
all you need is a good architectual brain and lots of money.
plus there would be down time . but expanding over a 4 or 5 year period is achievable, and during the off season would be the prime
time to commence with construction.
im sure with liverpoo’s supposed new 80 000 stadium plans the seats arnt that flattering once you hit the rafters either, and each seat would be acompanied with a telescope . but it can be done. just like the emirates , i think its a case of anything past 50 000 , the seats would be hard to fill by patrons and would out weigh the cost of construction as the tickets would be cheapies !

Ethan

The Liverpool plans are for 60k which can be expanded to 80k. They are playing safe at the moment or allowing themselves a sellout each week, raising ticket prices are new owners are wont to do. My guess is they would increase incremently in the way United did, albeit perhaps a new tier at a time.

Time will tell whether over 60k is feasible but once it is built, they had better start winning the title otherwise managerial change will be soon to follow.

YW

YW
‘That is not to rule out a change of ownership, that part is inevitable…. What makes you think that the only way Arsenal can develop is to borrow money for Kroenke to buy the club? I say Arsenal to borrow for Kroenke ‘cos the loan that Kroenke will take to buy the club will eventually be paid back by Arsenal fans not Kroenke. So what is the need for Kroenke, Arsenal don’t need Kroenke, we could have done with Kroenke when we were at Highbury but not now. We have a new stadium, generating more income than any other stadium in the country; not only match day earnings but income from conferences etc and highbury flats are also upstream so kroenke for what? Just another American face and large loans portfolio on our books? We should resist any takeover ‘cos Arsenal is in better shape than all time.

Now Pool will have to pay about 21+ annual dividends to their new owners to finance their takeover loans even though the loans are not in their books its amount to same as financing the loan. Further they are borrowing 280+ to finance a stadium that will take their annual debt commitments to about 60+ this is excluding the new loans they’ve taken to buy players. So Pool new owners didn’t bring in any money; they’re all borrowed money. In three years time Arsenal will be in better financial position than all the teams, including MANU who are expected to provide 61+ annually to cover the takeover loans and also meet their new players acquisition loan. As for Chelsea, I need not mention ‘cos its not a club that is managed on business lines, its a loss making venture and we shall see what happens if they don’t win the title and CL in two years. So please, you people should stop promoting kroenke loan financing venture, we don’t need his money.

It doesn’t follow that an 80,000 seater stadium in Liverpool will generate as much income as a 60,000 stadium in London. They may not be able to sell all the seats at the same average price as we achieve. It is reckoned that we raise virtually as much from 10,000 club and executive boxes as we did from the whole of Highbury.

PHW does come across as an old duffer partly due to his Eton background but he did run the investment division at Hambros Bank and was also their Vice-Chairman so the man has some skills. So far I think the present board have handled things pretty well and just gone about their business quietly and efficiently.

Flint ,
dont worry . i cannot go there :)
speculation is the reason why we are here .
lets not kid ourselves ..
black ray-bans are more my style :)

yogi
highburys gone - just like henry?!
what do you want PHW to do ?weep uncontrolably infront of the media? slash his wrists maybe ?
gimme a break . its like having a 1981 ford feista and swapping it for an 2007 astin martin , and then wondering why
he isnt crying over the ford … or henry, what a great player, club goal record , but its time to move on man !whilst we have fond memories of highbury, im sure everyone would rather be SITTING at the emirates !

Cecilia

Change of ownership is inevitable. Look at the constitution of the Board; they are not young people and will need (retirement) / have (death or illness, God Forbid) to sell sooner rather than later. Nobody Lives Forever.

The reason I mention SK and the end of this season is that it will be a key time for him. If DF is going to sell up at the end of April 2008, then he will need to buy those shares if he is going to takeover. If someone else gets hold of them, then SK is gone as far as ownership is concerned. I don’t recall saying I believe he is the best option; at the moment he is the only *assumed* option. Someone else could be working behind the scenes to buy the Club. Whether any deal is good for the Club should be based on it’s merits at the time. One thing to bear in mind is that it is highly unlikely that new owners will not take a penny out of the Club in dividends as is the current situation.

As for him being needed when we were at Highbury, I don’t think he would have done anything differently from the current Board if he wanted his own stadium. And don’t forget that the Wembley project back then seemed never ending so was it that viable an option in the first place?

YW

Ethan

What are you on about???

I observed that his comments were devoid of any nostalgia which was surprising given he spent more than half a century going there. I didn’t criticise him.

YW

YW

Yes death/retirement will require a reconstitution of the board but that alone do not impose on us a demand to borrow for someone to buy the club. Those who own the club will pass some of their holdings to their next of kins and there will be some new shareholders but not the kind pertaining at MANU and Pool which we should resist. We’re Arsenal and we should remain English even though our players are mainly foreigners.

YW
also i dont care to know anything about henrys private life or how he likes to do his mrs in the bedroom , i was only saying
that sometimes when your family life is going pear shaped , from a
man perspective its easier to run .. I live in asia for godsake .. gimme a dollar for every story ive heard where a man does a runner ’cause the mrs gets the kids bank account and the house !

i was only commenting on it because it could be the real reason he left arsenal ! which i think to me and others its a better reason for his departure in leiu of thinking it was about
our lack of being able to challenge ..

Maybe the ’something positive’ in the ‘not too distant future‘ is PHW resigning and DD coming back to the fore??
Lets face it, Hitler could probably do a better job of persuading AW to sign a new contract. PHW’s offer is probably ‘there it is, take it or leave it’. PHW is not just ‘old school tie’ he is old and should be tied !!!
Come back DD, we all know a Double Diamond works wonders, AW and all true gooners need you, NOW !!!

Cecilia

I think there is an awful lot of supposition surrounding new buyers for the Club and what that would mean. Until the Board do decide to sell, it is not an issue. And until an offer is received how can we judge it? It might not involve borrowing, it might do.

One thing is certain though, until such times as it becomes reality, it is not something that we should be fretting over.

YW

YW
maybe he’s not the nostalgia waffling kind..
like others :)
and besides highburys still there .. turning it into condos wasnt a very respectful thing to do with the ground either .. in my opinion
and im an architect . i love structures but once a building reaches 100 years old it should be historically protected by law!
Im sure he is more involved with his shiney brand new stadium
and more importantly the money that comes with it ..

and hopefully the success too !

Ethan

Parts of the old stadium are listed hence why they are still there. The East Stand facade was; not sure about the West.

Nothing wrong with him having nostalgia for Highbury. In fact, I think he has some otherwise he would not be so appreciative of The Emirates. It’s not a bloke thing to acknowledge our emotions, y’know.

YW

I would be amazed if he didn’t have some nostalgic connection with Highbury. His family have been involved in the running of Arsenal FC since the 1920’s. But he can’t come across as being old school and stuck in the past. He wants to be seen as someone who can take the club forward just as well as a modern businessman like Kronke etc rather than someone who is holding it back. I think that’s why he didn’t dwell on the Highbury nostalgia. By the way i would find it absolutely unbelievable that PHW doesn’t know anything about football (as some have accused him) given how long him and his family have been involved with Arsenal.

YW

but keeping the entry and the doorbell + plus a bit of slate that was in the fireplace isnt really respecting the structure .
plus if you were going to sell condos , the perfect way to market highbury is to keep a few parts of the structure that people identify with, still intact for (the buzz word of the day ) the nostalgia lovers , who are parting with their cash to buy the blessed things ! if it was heritage listed it would not be
de-constructed in any shape , manner or form.

i mean if highbury mean’t so much to PHW he wouldnt rip 98 %
of it down and sell off the lawn .. and turning it into condos is about as money hungry as you can get when it comes to planning and re-developement of the site !

Jimmy

PHW is an easy target for those who believe that DD should be back at the Club. They both have the knowledge but DD has the contacts to grease the wheels.

What is lost is that DD was not right on every subject but people are too willing to believe PHW & the other Directors are incorrect on every subject. The truth as always is somewhere between the two. Each ’side’ does things well; each ’side’ makes mistakes. That is human nature.

Credit where credit is due, the Board have run a stable ship financially and left the Club in a good position going forward. AW is getting the playing side into its Third Generation which will hopefully come good this season.

YW

Ethan

Got to pay the bills somehow! Haven’t they left the pitch area almost intact, as some sort of communal gardens?

I don’t have a problem with them redeveloping as it makes them more money (in theory) than selling it off for someone else to develop.

YW

There is one thing that i cant remember that Wenger have talked about anytime: Our very bad performance at set pieces.
If we can´t clear that up i think we will struggle again.
Why isnt he talking about that?

soffen

I would almost guarantee that is something that has been and will continue to be worked on in training. The problem is that you can do all that but if the players do not carry it out on the pitch then there is not a lot he can do.

To talk about in public can be seen as self-defeating and knocking the confidence of the public, as well as highlighting a weakness. Although with the latter, it is pretty certain that teams will know about it and seek to exploit it.

It’s up to the players to put an end to that uncertainty and ensure that it is not a weakness that is there to exploit.

YW

Wenger on DD replacement - “I wanted to do it before the end of the season when I started buying and selling,” he said. “But then I thought that now is the worst time because I have no time to tell someone how I want to do things.

“I did not want to unsettle the team before the end of the transfer market. So at the moment I work with Ken Friar and it is working well for us.”

You dont air your laundry in public soffen. Im sure its being addressed, behind the scened on the training ground, where it should be and not in an interview. Same would go for team formation and transfer targets. These things dont need media attention they need to be kept on the QT

I take it you know PHW personally Geez. In any case PHW is just 1 member of the board who have kept as stable a ship as there has been in world football, including Barca & RM, over the last decades.

We need the directors to know about business leaving the manager and his staff to sort out the football.

DD was great but from various comments it does appear that he got too close to the players, even right back to the Terry Neil era.

If it was up to him we would not have had the Emerates, which has set us up to be a real sustainable giant in the next few years.

AW’s piece regarding last season just posted on Arsenal.com is perfect.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=477236&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Wenger+-+We+feel+at+home+at+Emirates+Stadium

Very good blog, very rich nice pictures and articles, congratulations !!!

Thanks, YW

I think PHW does a good job, my mate hates him. He’s probably not the best at PR but that’s not his job, He’s a chairman so he organises where the culb is going and makes sure that everyone is pulling in the right direction. For many years he got this all right and kept to the background. with DD and SK comming along with their ideas, I think he was caught out and definately made a mistake with his don’t want that bloke here bit. The press loved it as it gave great headlines and so now they keep chasing him to try and get another one, when I am sure he would love to get back into the background again.
As far as selling the club is concerned, I am obviously dead against it, but the money involved is immence, the profits for them to make by selling out are huge. So they have a few options, I would like them to make Arsenal into a charity and rip up all the shares, make it all not for profit, and we would be the richest clyb in the world in 10 years, this is not going to happen though? My next favorite option would be for them to devalue the shares by offering 100 or 1000 new shares for every one now. They could then sell them to the fans and try and get them to be the majority shareholders, this you would hope would stop any takeover but it has not always worked in the past. The third option I would like to see is us courting a russian Billionaire and become our benefactor like Chelsea, but what is most likely to happen is a bidding war between Yans and Arabs for the club and a whole load of debt.
Reading that back It makes it sound inevitible, I think it is but maybe not next year but definately within the next 2-3 years.

Flint, can you give me any info on where DD got too close to the players, I would have thought that to be a positive factor, not a detrimental one.

Personally, I feel it is only a matter of time before DD returns to Arsenal in some form. The longer time goes on and he is not linked with any other football interest then the more sure I become.

Regarding Kroenke, does it really matter who he is ? All clubs are owned by someone and as long as they want the same as us, success with a great team, then whats the problem ? The thing the yanks are very good at is marketing their product and I for one would love us to push Manu for the position of biggest club in England if not the world. I think someone can do this for us, whether it is Kroenke I do not know, but I doubt very much that this current board can.

They have done very well with regards the stadium and running of the club, as you rightly said.

But now I feel Arsenal need to be taken further forward, the time is right, and I just cannot see that happening without new direction from other interested parties.

We are on a roll, lets not stop, lets keep rolling forwards. For every moment we pause others catch us up. (Except spuds, they are stuck in the ground and with all this rain they are now blighted, haha)

as long as wenger is there it doesn’t matter who owns the club, he is not going to spend any money anyway. in fact the lack of funds helps wenger as there is less pressure on him to actually spend some money and buy the sort of players that would take us back to the 2003 / 2004 heady days. to compare us to that team is ridiclus, we are no where near it, only Toure and fabregas would get near that team and even fabregas probably wouldn’t have got infront of Gilberto and vieira who were so strong together and the creativity came from DB, TH and RP instead.

the point i wamted to make is that i do not see the point of getting foriegn owners and bringing in more debt just for a 50m that will not be spent anyway.

“He (DD) often got too close to the players for my liking - it caused embarrassment when the time came for me to make a decision in the interest of the club”

extract from George Graham’s autobiography.
Similar will be seen in Terry Neil’s.

DD & his family are obviously very close to TH14.

Please do not think I am against DD in any way, we all get some things right & some wrong. Overall he was a tremendous asset to the club & I hope the rift can be heeled.

I do however care who owns the club & it is a worry that the current board members are no longer spring chickens.

The problem is I have been around long enough to know that you cannot be successful all the time & football will not always be as popular as it is now.

What happens then??

Hill-Wood was due to step down which was part of the reason “Chips” Keswick was appointed to the board to continue the clubs links with the city and loans. The disfunctionability of the board (Fiszman/Edelman/Dein mean’t he felt obliged to stay on longer. My comments about Hill-Wood are based on comments made by a former club chairman and FA board member. Dein was the only board member that went to all games home and away. The game is totally different to that pre Premiership which Dein was a prime mover in starting Hill-Wood was not party to any of those discussions as Dein was then the De-facto owner of the club. Hill-Woods vision for football is demonstrated by the sale of his stake for nothing and on which Dein has made his fortune.

While Kroneke and Dein are seeking control of the club, Kroneke should be aware of Dein’s misjudgements:
His close relationships with agents and players (look at the number of young arsenal players pushed towards favoured agents)
His interest in shady joint ownership schemes Beveren and they were looking at a similar “ownership” of Celta Vigo to park South American players.
“Colegate” was also a unmitigated PR disaster pursued by Dein. Calling yourself a “father figure” to a player is just embarassing.

However corporate responsibility is not a quality normally attributable to football clubs.

vivb

I think you are being a little hard on DD. Sure he did some things wrong but he also did a considerable amount of good work for the Club.

Unfortunately, he has become a polarising ‘object’ between factions of the Support, and a stick with which to beat the new Board, primarily because a vocal minority are frustrated that we have not spent big money this summer and TH14 left. That the new Board may not have been asked to sign anyone other than those we have signed, is not taken into account

YW

I’m really sorry to bring this up, but I can’t help it.
How could Henry blame his departure to Spain on DD’s exit and AW’s contract uncertainties. How cold he throw such a cheap short when the actual reason was him trying to get away from his marriage? Why did he not take responsibility as a man and tell us the truth instead of such cheap lies? I’m so glad we’ve all found out, just like PHW said some weeks back. I am beginning to respect the board much more contrary to what many people like selfish Henry wants us to believe. Even AW is most likely going to sign on. GUNNERS 4 LIFE! WENGER KNOWS!

I think you’ll find similar quotes attributed to Terry Neill, Don Howe and Bruce Rioch as that made by Graham. All of whom felt that DD was undermining their ability to manage the club. Now that maybe sour grapes but it if it was then there is a fair amount of unity in it. Wenger is too astute to get drawn into such differences but we do know, while they are good friends apparently, they also disagreed on key issues. To Deins list of gaffes you might also add the near disastrous North Bank Bond Scheme and what Jon Spurling in his book about Arsenal ‘Rebels for the Cause’ describes as ‘backing the betamax option against vhs’ in his backing of the ITV bid against that of Sky for TV rights which, fortunately for him, against his own judgement made his fortune.

Sure DD was also a positive force. As an 80s archetypal Thatcherite businessman he brought some much needed vigour into a stuffy boardroom but like the lead singer in a successful band a lot of the real talent was playing behind him.

Amos

If you ask anyone who took advantage of the North bank Bond Scheme ‘Disastrous’ is just about the last word they would use to describe what was one of the most far-sighted and generous debenture oferings in UK sporting history. 150 year season ticket guarantee - plus guaranteed half-price season tickets for 10 years. All for £1100! Can we have some more disasters like that please!

i think this all boils down to selfishness , phw wants to lead arsenal into this new era at the emirates , and he wasnt going to have that taken away from under him by kronke-DD pulling a take over bid..
So he chopped DD off at the knees and the back lash is wenger is pissed. its like a domino affect .. its all theory , but it would seem a logical progression.

I cant see anyone taking the power away from phw , not whilst the emirates is like a new shiney toy.. give them a year or 2 .. (alot will depend on the success of next season )
thats why he told the other board members not to sell shares for 1 year… i think from a management perspective it isnt important if arsene doesnt sign til’ the end of the year.

i only care about it from a players perspective , a morale perspective . & from a fans perspective !

Ethan, Danny Fiszman will sell his shares when he sweet well likes. PHW has no power over him whatsoever. Most likely PHW retains his Chairmanship by supporting Fiszman in delaying the sale of shares. The Carrs and Bracewell Smith probably listen to PHW, because he is supporting Fiszman.

If they are all so interested in the future of the club they could sell their shares to fans….but they won’t they will sell them to a buyer like Kroenke. Now IF that happens ..seems to me that the current shareholders will be repsonsible for the sale, at enormous profit one and all..so best to criticise them not Kroenke or any other buyer.

But then maybe they won’t sell even in a years time? in which case we will know that they are all really good guys, won’t we?

Whcih ever way we will be a very successful club.

I think PHW is a PR disaster everytime he speaks I feel scared that he’ll say something silly, thankfully he kept things short and sweet when quizzed about AW future.

I read AW article on the arsenal.com web site and he seems very positive about our chances this coming season, with lots of statistics to back it up.

“First, if you make a table of the results against the other teams in the top four, then we are top”, “Then if you make a table against the teams in the top half, Manchester United have 43 points, we have 40, so do Chelsea, and Liverpool have 33″ ” “That shows that we lost the championship against teams in the bottom half of the table. So that is where we will have to be much more efficient this season. We have to be consistent in our mental preparation, in our ruthlessness as well”

As an arsenal supporter I was glad to see that poor performancies against so called lesser teams has been acknowledged by AW as what cost us.

eddy: your comment is well made, in hindsight. The money comming into the game and the success of the ‘product’ was not to be excpected in the early nineties, were we not boring at that point. The rise in general wealth (housing market, low interest etc.) makes it seem what it is, a very good deal, but back then it looked bonkers to pay that kind of money.

That leads on to: 60,000 seats seems a very sensible number looking at the long term ups and downs in attendences over the history of Arsenal. 83,000 might be the record but I belive 24,000 or so is the lowest for a top game ( please correct if I’m off target ), football was not always that popular, and may not be again. As has been said 60K in London is worth as much as 80K+ anywhere else.

PHW knows his history and while he may seem to be moving on from Highbury with little sentiment, he is aware that the Club in its last major revelutionary period under Chapman had but 15 or so years before moved right across London, maybe he feels we are in a simillar period with a simillar manager and is excited by the work done and the future ahead.

Highbury’s only listed bits I beleive are the East and west stand facades and the Marble entrance halls with the bust of Chapman.
To try to keep anything else would be fairly pointless as most of it had been modernised beyond saving for health and saftey and comfort reasons, lest not forget that you could stand in the lower east and west. It is brilliant that they are keeping the basic shape with the new blocks and using the pitch area for a park. The memories will be saved, but the future is 1/2 mile down the road and I think PHW is doing quite well helping to steer it.

The AW article is a phenomenal article and truly explains our performances last year. It bodes very, very well for the coming season.

while its clearly obvious to everyone that our results against the poorer sides in the premieship were our worst this season I dont feel AW has really touched on why that is. he talks about being ruthless but Liverpool and Man U both had more shots than Arsenal last season and far more crosses. I dont deny our finishing is an issue but I think its got a lot more to do with tactics. the top 6-8 teams generally dont come and play 9 men at the back. arsenal can outplay ANY team in the world on their day and I am convinced they will continue to do that next season. Arsenal continually stutter against packed defences. it ends up with our front 6 and the opposition 9 all camped around a very congested penalty box. even the best players cannot thread balls through non existent holes. add to that the fact that we are not really getting in behind down the flanks and our style of play against smaller teams does not work, unless we happen to get an early goal that brings them out to play.
our problem with committing more and more men forward when the opposition are camped around their box (even clichy, Eboue and Gilberto when right up the field last season) is that it leaves us wide open to a long ball counter attack. this is why we saw the one shot one goal phenomenon last season. in short the opposition get to use footballs most lethal weapon ie the counter attack, whereas we are left hopelessly battering down a thick defensive wall.

One solution is to keep possession much deeper on the field and this draws the opposition further out. only then can we use our pace and space to hit them on the break.
Of course the other solution is to buy a typcial winger who is comfortable on the touchline and can get in behind. I have always felt that Eboue’s importance to the side in an attacking sense is under valued by some Gooners, but i’d prefer to have a real winger in the team.

Well skysports have confirmed the Palacio story to be a prank instigated by the Boca supporters

:)

Grim

‘Bonkers to pay that kind of money’? What part of the maths didn’t you understand? At the time of the Bond launch Lords was charging £5,000 for a debenture which gave you nothing but the right to buy a season ticket for 10 years. Twickenham at the time was similar. Meanwhile Newcastle United charged their customers a debenture of £500 - just to have the right to buy a season ticket for ten years. At the time (1993) we were paying about £250 a year season ticket at Highbury - so it was clear we would get our money back. Plus, based on the evidence of other debentures, we knew it was likely we could, if we wished, sel the Bond for a profit. I’ve a friend who trousered £3,000 by selling his bond in 2006. After missing out for the first year of Ashburton, he’s just got his first season ticket at the new ground having re-applied. In the first year of non-Bond season ticket prices our ticket went from £250 to £800. In the final five years of being a Bond Holder I reckon I saved about £1200.

gazzap

AW did touch on the reason we were poor against the smaller teams and according to AW this is mental consistency it is clear that he believes our mind set to differ against smaller teams.

Eddy. The North Bank Bond scheme was fine for those that could afford it but the initial scheme was exclusive and elitist and was presented in a high handed manner. The whole row led to the formation of the Independent Arsenal Supporters Association and it was the adoption of some of their principles of refinancing the development that saved the clubs face but not before a fair amount of bad press and embarassment.

I don’t think I’ve ever said it before, so I’ll say it now…

Thanks for great blog YW.

Nice to find a place where there are (mostly) grown-up and well-reasoned discussions about footie.

The top people at the club do seem remarkably chipper don’t they? Anyone can say the upbeat words, but it’s hard to fake the body language and the tone of voice. Dunno why they are quite so relaxed and quite so confident myself, but they surely are. And that has to be good.

Not quite sure how we could solve the problem with finishing off the lower sides. It seems to be a combination of three things that foils us: (a) the opposition’s only game plan is to hang on for dear life (b) their keeper plays a blinder (c) we manage not to convert any of numerous chances.

As Sagna said, it might actually help us if people aren’t so wary this season, esp without TH14.

And we need that magic thing, clinical finishing. Where the ball goes just in instead of hitting the woodwork.

Gazzap - I’m sure Wenger just touched on some of the more obvious reasons for our failures against the bottom half of the table teams. He’s hardly going to give chapter and verse on our tactics for the coming season. But I think his plan to spread the goal scoring responsibility around the team and the purchase of a penalty box player like Eduardo shows that he is planning to do something slightly different this year. Last year the opposition and our own players could focus on TH as the main source of our goal threat, this season we have more variety up front. If Cesc and TR7 can improve their finishing, Clichy can improve his final ball and Ade and Bendtner use their height advantage why shouldn’t we see a difference this year? Walcott, Eboue and Sagna (by all accounts) can all send in effective crosses and even Eduardo can score with his head.

Any faint-hearted gooners out there in need of hope for next season just listen to Kolo Toure’s interview on ATVO. Sounds like captain material to me and he’s planning to give 300% to help Arsenal win trophies!

I like the idea that all of our front 6 can score a goal. and I think you are right that Rosicky and Cesc both need to up their goal tallies because it is blatently within them to do that. last season with TH14 in and out of the team it did not help with consistency of play and no partnerships were built up up front. this year I do expect Eduardo to be a key player and I think the team ethic is one that wenger needs to really focus on.

but because of the way we walk the ball to the 6 yard area and play it on the ground, so many potential killer passes are cut out around the box. maybe with better movement from the front 2 we can continue playing without conventional wingers but just be more successful at scoring using that method.

Eddy: I can not and do not dispute your figures. As I said in hindsight it was a great scheme and ahead of its time.
But as amos points out at the time we thought DD was trying to stiff us and as a 19 year old student it wasn’t on my radar, nor was it to quite a few mates who didn’t have that kind of money.
Most of the people I stood with on the north bank did take it up, none were happy to do so, probably are now. Season ticket buying wasn’t the only way to see a game back then but 1996 changed alot of things (for the good). The game has moved on, just a bit of reflexion.
Good post mate.

everyones talking about now henrys not around , but he was injured (supposedly) for the last 3 or 4 months last season
and i didnt see anything drastically change in our gameplay then? infact it was worse. we really fell away after feb2007 .

last season lesser teams used our old tactics . sit back and stack the defence and the fast break a counter attack(but with more seasoned strikers) .
i think personally it was all about someone needing to step up to take on the strikers role , or at least someone to put it in the back of the net with regularity.and a conspiracy theory of mine was henry was stepping out to see if we could cope without him , also mental consistancy was a HUGE ISSUE as gallas mentioned , we need our young team to focus over 2 halves . and next season if nothing else i hope they back themselves to have a go ! people like hleb need to crunch out shots ! a bit more selfishness and hunger infront of goal is required .
hopefully someone like da silva will change our front lines mentality. hopefully some of that goal fest mentality will rub off on others .

but in summary . you dont score . you dont win .
you can play all the attractive football you want .
but if you aint got someone to find the back of the net
then your going to loose .

look at manc’s i dont think they are a good defensive team
but they win by scoring more goals than there opponents.

a quick apology. my previous post should of course read 1989 not 1996.
check twice, post once!

Amos

The benefits of the Bond Scheme were there for everyone to see from Day One. The trouble was fanzines like One Nil Down, Two One Up and The Gooner decided it was social engineering and gave the Bond Scheme a good and, totally undeserved, kicking. They all knew it was a great scheme - but preferred (for reasons of their own) to take a suspicious stance. It wasn’t until Highbury High came along in1993 that the Bond Scheme got the press it deserved. The trouble was, by then, the Bond Scheme had closed.

It’s interesting that subsequent Bond Schemes on the North Bank Lower have sold out immediately they came on stream. Supporters learned their lesson too late - and bought into far less attractive propositions just to secure their season ticket.

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