Posted by: Yogi's Warrior | June 27, 2007

PHW on Arsene And Community Disservice

The dust has barely settled on his move to Henry’s move to Barcelona and the media now have the opportunity to put words into the Chairman’s mouth with a little help from him along the way. Speaking in the Daily Telegraph Peter Hill-Wood said of Henry’s rationale about his move being influenced by DD’s departure and AW contract situation,

I am not particularly worried about what Thierry said but whether it really influenced his decision or not we will have to wait and see. We certainly don’t think Thierry Henry going and Arsene Wenger’s contract situation are in any way linked. That was just an excuse

Which is remarkably similar to the majority view that I have seen, naysayers apart. Moving onto AW’s contract,

I am really hopeful he will extend but at this moment I am only in a position of hoping, I’ve no reason to think that he won’t but at the same time I have no reason to believe he will say yes. Certainly we would like to see him sign a new contract - we have made no secret about that. But we have not talked any details about anything with him or the board. We will wait and see what he wants to do. Then we can sit down and discuss things if he is positive about it. I am very relaxed. We are in good shape

So it is unclear whether the speculation about him being offered a new contract in the near future is just that or whether there is an offer on the table. The comments though are perfectly reasonable but are going to be interpreted as him fearing the worst because the last two sentences are the key to that. Remove them and people will just see ‘if he is positive about it‘ and interpret that as ‘Ooh, the Board don’t know what’s going on. Arsene’s really upset by the departures because he’s negative about it‘. One thing is certain though; if he is speaking on behalf of the Board (and you have to assume he is), they have little concern about Le Boss staying. Given that they are closer to the man than any journalist, if they are not worried why is everyone else? OK so he wouldn’t tell us if AW was upset but if he was then he himself would not have been so positive about the future, the young players and the potential. He would not want the Club to disintegrate on his departure so would be putting in place a succession plan.

Elsewhere, El Pais entered into the sh*t-stirring by claiming that Darren Dein contacted Barcelona in April about moving Henry in the Summer. Not sure what they hope to gain by this, presumably fed this by someone with an agenda to ‘blemish’ Henry’s departure. To be honest, I cannot see that it matters. The fact is he has gone and we move onto an new phase in the Club; whether he contacted them or not is irrelevant nor is the timing of such contact. All it smacks of is a tawdry little exercise to stain DD by association and innuendo.

Away specifically from Arsenal, for some reason best known to himself, Richard Caborn, our erstwhile and hitherto completely useless Minister For Sport, has taken it upon himself to meet with the Premier League ‘bosses’ because he is worried about the Division becoming a ‘billionaires playground’. Caborn is concerned that the sport is moving away from the masses,

I think we have got to make sure that the grass roots, the communities from which those clubs came indeed are respected

Would it be an inopportune moment to point out to him that he is about fifty years too late. Well before the inception of the Premier League, the top flight Clubs had ceased to be ‘community’ based institutions. They do contribute to the Community in their own ways - school visits, charitable work - but with the increasing globalisation and mobility of their support, very few are even remotely like lynchpins of their localities as they once were, save for the exceptions such as Blackburn who have the highest percentage of locally based supporters in the Division I seem to recall recently.

For a Club such as Arsenal, the inhabitants of the local area are increasinly unimportant unless the Club need them on their side. If everyone who lived in Islington decided not to support the Club, would it hurt them? No, with transport links, I suspect the percentage of fans who support the Club is small. That is not to say, they are unimportant but they are nowhere near the lifeblood of the Club that they would have been a century ago.

But it is his concern about the Division becoming a ‘billionaires’ playground that irks. The populist phraseology shows how out of touch with the reality that Caborn is. There is only one owner who can afford to treat his Club as a toy and that is Abramovich. Every other one has to make the Club commercially viable in order to get a Return on their Investment. Caborn seems to be trying to shut the stable door long after the horse bolted. His intention to appear to be actively concerned about football is misplaced. The Premiership Clubs are more than capable of looking after themselves. They have their own rules for Directors and Owners being ‘fit and proper’ persons to own the Club, i.e. they have to be financially able to support the Investment. Irrespective of how they achieve this and whether or not you agree with their methodology, the days of Spencer Trethewy are long gone; there is not a headlong rush down the Leeds route again. So why the meeting? It surely could not be something to do with the fact that he is out to impress his new Boss?

’til Tomorrow.

Responses

I don’t think he means treating the club as a toy. It seems to me that he is worried about these people acting without responsibility. I tend to agree. The apparent lack of regulation in football when compared to other areas of life is a bit of a worry.

As for the Arse news, it was a strange comment from PHW to make. It isn’t necessarily bad but given the recent publicity surrounding the club it would have been easier to say nothing about AW’s commitment, contract etc.

Sniff

There is a very good argument that says there is too much regulation in life. Moreover, if Caborn is so concerned why has he waited until something like a third of Premiership Clubs are owned by ‘Billionaires’? It strikes me that this is aimed the guy trying to takeover Manchester City and is politically motivated beyond football. I also get concerned with politicians getting involved in the Sport; they have hardly got a good track record have they?

As for PHW, I think he gave his answer to a question put to him, his answer seeking to calm the storm in the media. It might have worked for a day or so but when they get bored, they will be back on AW’s case.

YW

I think i speak for a lot of arsenal fans when i say that it would be better either that the board wheels out some other spokesperson or just shut hill-wood up altogether. The man has a history of saying the wrong things and i for one have zero confidence in him or the board especially a man that is waiting to get his tax exile status

Augie

Whomever the Board elect as spokesperson will have their words twisted. He has been tactless in the past but so will others. But what has got your goat with what he said? Seems relatively inoffensive to me.

YW

Any goverment thoughts or initiatives to do with sport are about as well informed as WMD in the middle east.

PHW is of the old school who in my memory has made some foolish and ill timed comments over the years but I would not doubt his intended honesty or integrity and has just stated the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as he knows it.
I also go along with the theory that AW has invested too much of his own life into AFC to just leave them with no transition period, he has always been a long term strategist, so why change now!
I like the idea of Gilles Grimandi coming in to the club and AW always held him in high regard and I seem to remember when he retired from AFC that he wanted to be associated with the club in the long term, a smart fella and the only bit of gossip to make me sit up and notice so far in the rumour season.

I don’t see what Hill-Wood said to be villified by supporters. If he didn’t say anything, everyone would say - why aren’t the board commenting..etc.etc.

I don’t see anything being unusual and with Wenger on holiday, I don’t suspect that anyone is panicing, except for all of the supporters.

The statement by PHW is useful and sensible to the extent that it does dispel some of the more fevered ‘bring back Dein or I quit’ type stories. Clearly there hasn’t been any detailed discussions but they have made it clear that Wenger can extend his contract at any time and Wenger, as he has done all through his career, will leave it until his present contract expires. Both sides seem relaxed about it and so they should be. For that reason I think it was right for PHW to attempt to calm things down. Together with the supporting statement from Max Hild it should put a brake on the runaway crisis atmosphere generated by the tabloids but I wouldn’t expect it to last too long. I can’t think of any other managers contract that invites so much speculation. I suppose in most other cases the concern is whether the manager will be allowed to complete his contract.

PHW just said it how it is. Its the media making more of it than it is. The media is saying that the club is unstable so any little comment like that is bigged up to support their claims. His comments about Henry’s reasons for leaving have been reported as “launching an attack” on Henry. Again he just said it like he sees it. And we know Henrys “reasons” are bullshit. So i dont really see any issues with his comments. He doesnt have to be all “dont worry lads the club is fine” cause as i see it its media filled rumor that says the club is in decline and not actual fact. Done buy the media hype and you wont feel the need to be bottlefed by the club.

if you need any more proof that our board are just a bunch of old farts then sir bufton tufton’s remarks in the press today are all you need.

Sack the board bring back David Dein………

DeiseGooner gets it pretty right about the press desires to de-stabilise the club, and the need to ignore it.

O.K. its silly season and there are a lack of stories out there but I feel this years Arsenal sagas are being driven from a desire to get Wenger to manage England.
Right I know thats a bit curve ball…..

Amos says
“I can’t think of any other managers contract that invites so much speculation.”.

The current England manager is universaly disliked by the press which has fed down to the supporters.
AW is unversaly the 1st choice ‘next coach’. They now see the oppertunity that maybe Wenger will become available, despite the countless times he has said national coaches should be from that nation. The press can’t stop picking at the spot, pushing and pushing. Its not Dien’s departure or TH’s that de-staibalising its the press ravings or so they hope.
In your average boring companies the board room is played out in the buisness sections of papers where Arsenal do surface when proper factual information arises.

I was listening to Ian Wrights, David Dein Public awarness campaign, on Talksport yesterday and he was having a shout with David Seaman about the “CRISIS”. DS was saying all the usual about how things are quite good really and TH was not going to be missed that much etc etc. Wrighty just kept going on about “CRISIS” and Dein and ARGHH! I switched it off.

Its all bonkers, as is most of my post!?*?

At least “sir bufton tufton’s” is as JonS says “has honesty and integrity”. Not something usually used in conection with footballs Chairmen.

Agree whole heartedly with YW about Caborn, its all to do with the Shinawatra deal, complete covering of Arse. Ignore, most of the footballing authorities already do.

I think that young Mr Grace’s ‘honesty and integrity’ comes from the fact that anyone with any intelligence or an ounce of intuition would tell him nothing about anything….which is why his comments usually amount to nothing about anything.

Whatever. Thierry Henry can suck it. I think the reasons he gave were lame.

YW
Don’t desregard El Pais disclosure about the role played by Darren Dein. It could be true ‘cos Jerome Anderson, his agent on football matters was not involved. It tells you one thing, its payback time for the Deins. They want to spite the Board for taking action against them on the kroenke matter. The Deins have been involved in a lot of scheming, plotting, intrigues just to gain control of the club, which seems to have stalled in the meantime. Now they’ve engineered the sale of TH14 to create a crisis to cause the the value of the shares to fall and then use Kroenke to move in and takeover, so that they can take control of the club. There is a conspiracy at work.

anyone fancy a flutter on a horse called wenger .Market Rasen Fri 29th Jun.Uttoxeter Sun 1st Jul

On the same card at Market Rasen on the 29th in the 15:10 a horse called Charlie George is also running.

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Hi yogi ,

Ive come back here to listen to all of your banter about the board
etc.. and all the other irrelevant things youve got to say about arsene . Dont you think we need some players before you start blonking on about ,this and that and why henry said the things about DD and arsene ?

Well the facts of the matter are capello at real will surely get the BOOT ! arsene is still ON HOLIDAY !? or so rumour has it .
Whilst all other clubs in the EPL are tendering bids left , right and centre, and our LE BOSS is on holidays thinking of his future ?

Of course henry will say he was shocked by DD’s removal , i mean its his best friends dad.. Wouldnt you show respect for your best friends dad (your final arsenal statement), who is infact (or was then ) the VP of the arsenal board .ALSO. He prob’ly knows him on and off the pitch in a social environment. henry was our talisman ,our greatest player of all time , im sure DD made him feel like a VIP too, so why you are all shocked by what he said baffles me ?!
And then he states he is unsure of arsenes commitment
beyond this season , HE KNOWS , thats why he left . in 8 years do you think that he doesnt know arsene personally , they are french for godsakes ! Henry was giving the middle finger to the board with those statements .
Sometimes like me , youve got to stirr it up before things get done..or people realize what needs to be done.
Arsene will quit come the end of next season . If not sooner,
and i for 1 dont want to see him spend the 40 million if he isnt around to show commitment to OUR club . He’s french NOT ENGLISH ! Remember that ! the only people who truely love our club still and care about its direction is ian wright ,seaman etc and they are english .
Arsene once he leaves wont be around .He did take us through the most suscessful period of our history but if you cant tell by the preveious 2-3 years his time is OVER !

One thing is certain though; if he is speaking on behalf of the Board (and you have to assume he is), they have little concern about Le Boss staying. Given that they are closer to the man than any journalist, if they are not worried why is everyone else?

Because we care about the success of the club and its preformances on the pitch , not how much money we can make in this new stadium . i agree with the silver gunner sack them all.

Begeegs
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i have a problem with the arse being on holiday when all the other top 3 clubs are hunting for more players like tevez ,torres, and malouda ! who i thought was s’posed to be our signing ?
Also i know about corperate enviroments and usually if your staff are wanting to mutany you tell them to take a holiday and go away and think about it !

dont you watch the movies :)

Guys, can we hit the “REFRESH” button for a sec…..what happens if NOTHING happens? If Wenger doesn’t re-sign till next year? If we don’t buy in ANY new player? How would things look @the Xmas break? Will we be in the EPL top 4? Will we still be in the Champs league? FA Cup? Carling Cup? If we don’t sell Flamini or Gallas? and the team is exactly the same as it is RIGHT NOW??
Mmmm….
Fuck being positive, the pragmatic in me says we’d be doing ok. Still in the running in MOST of the above, with players growing in self belief. Our long term prospects are GREAT. Let David Dein go buy his own football club & run it with his “modern-day visionariness”. His “divergent-from-the rest of the board” agenda is the reason for all the crap going on. He rocked the boat & was voted off. If he is as good as is said surely he can work his magic at another ball club?
On the brink of greatness (delicious football played by a good team moulded a great manager, nice size stadium, and forward-thinking board), now is the TIME to keep the FAITH & to RESPECT the TRADITIONS that set the stage for our PRESENT-DAY APPEAL & POTENTIAL!

Long live THE ARSENAL!!!!!!!

hey ethan,

Did you every read the link i sent you the other day? All, ethan is a wind up artist, pay him no mind

ttm

did you read the bbc one where it said he broken his meta tarsel CELEBRATING ! i saw it mate !!! so you can read what you like .. ! your just a stirring toss anyway crawl back under your rock .. I KNOW YOU HATE BEING WRONG but i think the bbc know there stuff !

twotouchmiracle
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READ BELOW feel free to visit the web page ..
Arsenal striker Robin van Persie has broken the fifth metatarsal in his right foot, the club have announced.
Van Persie sustained a partial fracture ‘celebrating’(CAN YOU READ ??) his equaliser in Sunday’s 2-1 win over Manchester United.
The 23-year-old, Arsenal’s leading scorer this season, had an X-ray after the game, which confirmed the full extent of his injury.
It is likely the Dutchman, who had come on as a second-half substitute, will be out of action for at least six weeks.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/6285363.stm
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