Arsene, Gilles And Freddie

Amazing how letting off steam makes the world a better place…

Arsene is the subject of today’s rumours with The Sun Says So It Must Be True, quoting a “friend” of Le Boss at length, blathering on about how he’s unsettled with DD’s departure, how he’s worried about the squad being too young for a true tilt at the title, how he’s been told to sell players before he can buy. All of which sounds like this friend of Arsene is a bit of a figment of someone’s imagination after a fifteenth pint of Tennants Super. There is an element of truth in what is said though to my mind and that is the timescale, which is of course what the hack in question is playing on. I have no doubt that AW will know by Christmas what he is going to do, if he has not already pretty much made up his mind already. Where the story veers from reality is over the question of money – AW knows the financial situation better than anyone else and the impact it will have on his plans for strengthening the squad. Personally, I have no doubts he wants to stay but the question he wants answered is on the pitch, as in has he put together a squad that is improving as quickly as he believes. The answer to that I believe is yes. But interestingly, the story then segues into more from Patrick Vieira, as if that gives it more credibility. Bless ‘em.

Gilles Grimandi seems to be the media favourite for the Director of Football role now that Nicky Hammond turned it down so we’d better get used to some Gallic shrugs and puffing of the cheeks in the news. Grimandi would be a logical appointment in many respects having scouted for Arsene in France in recent years, giving him an insight into the type of player that Le Boss wants and how the Scouting Network should be operating. No doubt there are those who will deride such an appointment because he has a lack of experience in dealing with Contracts and Negotiations but hellfire, unless the Club go out and poach someone from another top team, where does this experience come from? And don’t say DD; it’s so passe.

Freddie Ljungberg has said he wants to fight for his place, some cruel comments noting that he is due a testimonial as this will be his tenth season. I doubt that it is the case. FL is well aware that his chances of playing for another top side are limited and no doubt believes he can do a job for the squad. I have no axe to grind with that attitude because if others – no name, no packdrill – had shown the same public commitment then half of the Summer’s newsprint would have been lost. Back to the Testimonial angle. I’d be surprised if that is even on the horizon. Not through anything other than they don’t happen very often anymore, DB10′s was an exception rather than the rule. OK so the average Premiership player doesn’t spend long enough at a club to warrant one but the concept of rewarding service is now outdated, a fact noticeable as most recent testimonials have been raising funds for Charities. I think the Club hit on the way forward with this during the final season at Highbury where a ‘themed day’ is held in the players respect, part of the ‘profits’ from the day going to Charity with the match having some meaning, a particular bugbear of mine that testimonials were often a pointless exercise in the past, taking place when players were knackered after a long season or not really contributing much to the pre-season.

And that’s yer lot for this morning so ’til Tomorrow.

Posted on June 21, 2007, in Arsenal, Football, Premiership, Soccer, Transfer Gossip. Bookmark the permalink. 49 Comments.

  1. How can the Sun possibly print such an article when only yesterday there were quotes from Wenger expressing how “hungry” he is in anticipation of the coming season?

    Btw, 1st ‘Foot.’

  2. got it right jon.al.
    like i said last time le Boss just cant leave a young side where he has spent time and energy building,stranded along the way.
    Any body who thinks he is leaving should forget about it.
    Because from his interviews one can tell he has long time dreams and ambitions to achieve with this team.

  3. Godfrey/Jon.al

    you just cant handle the truth can you ?
    arsene isnt this all mighty god that would stop his own career just to harbour a few promising youth players.(which arnt really that good compared to many others comming up through the ranks).
    Like everyone else, including fans he wants to win titles with the 7 or so years he has got left in him . and if we cant match the ambissions of henry & arsene and that lil git fabs who isnt really stating any ambissions he is just connected to arsenes coat tails. they will simply leave, and leave us to rebuild or pick up the peices .. ( which rebuilding has taken way too long already). which i feared all along . everyone the last 2 years have been stating arsene
    is the ultimate trainer and finder of youth , i dont think like that i think he just never had any funds to spend , so he started to gamble on buying youth at a young age in the HOPE of finding a supreme bunch of youngies who would develope into henrys of the future without costing the earth.

    Its obvious he blaims the board for not giving him funds
    and the DD incident ,everyone thought i was just a raving looney (maybe you still do )but all i can say on the above matters is

    I TOLD YOU SO

    infact i will put together my own youth squad
    based on players that are equal or less than 22 years old
    and see if my squad or arsenes is more superior
    as none of us have anything better to talk about any way i think the project will be fun ..

    id like to get your comments yogi ..
    id like you to spill the beans and give us a starting 11
    based all on youth players you desire .. because although arsene
    has got some great young players but i really think he could have done much better ..

  4. easy done …

    GK: i. akinfeev

    LB: marcelo
    RB:castro
    cd:kompany
    cd:luizao

    lm: a.johnson (UK)
    c: nani
    c: kerlon
    rm:a. lennon(UK)

    f: anderson
    f:walcott

    subs/team
    ——
    carlinhos
    ratinho
    montolivo
    gourcuff
    m.fernandes
    c.vela
    g.pique
    j.de guzmen

    gk RES : grohe

    now if arsene had a youth squad like that id say we stood a chance in the next 2 years
    20 players that can play differing positions , plenty of cover

    i left out f.torres and c.ronaldo but if arsene was really that sharp wouldnt he have picked them up before athletico and man U ???

  5. Yogi,
    “unless the Club go out and poach someone from another top team, where does this experience come from? And don’t say DD; it’s so passe.”
    Well, given the rapprochement of sorts between PHW-KE and SK, I’m not sure anything can be written off as passe so very soon.
    If DF sells to SK, a scenario might well arise in which DD will be back in action. It isn’t very far fetched to bet that SK will be aware of the influence and connections DD brought to the club, not to mention the relationship he enjoyed, and presumably, enjoys with AW. Anyone investing money into the club will, I should think, place a premium on those facts.
    Now, I’m not suggesting “Arsenal is DD”, or “DD is God”; neither ‘am I holding a brief for him. But I firmly believe that a lot of the vitriol re: DD in the blogosphere constitutes throwing the baby out with the bath water.
    I think this is turning out be one summer where plugging the net off, cancelling newspaper subscriptions and signing up for a retreat at some remote monastery seems the best option for an Arsenal fan. I don’t think we’re going to be certain of anything till the first day of the new season.

  6. Wenger has a degree in Engineering and a master’s degree in Economics from Strasbourg University.
    i believe that should all let you know that from the start he was aware of the finances of the club.
    no argument then.

  7. Ethan,

    You are a cock – anyone can put together a wish list of players, and then it is only subject to opinion how good these players are, or will be.

    Arsene is the best manager we have ever had, and you should show a little loyalty and faith.

    Either that or fuck off and support Chelsea.

  8. karthic

    plugging the net off, cancelling newspaper subscriptions and signing up for a retreat at some remote monastery seems the best option for you , maybe the way your talking you can do it whilst the season is running maybe even .

    this is a typical responce from the type of fan that is on these boards everywhere .. deny deny deny !
    Things must change .. liverpool in the 70′s – man U dominating for a long time after . everything has its cycles .

    Unless some smart planning is done quickly we will just be remebered between 98/ 04 .. if we got 08 09 .. it wouldnt be a bad decade . but for that to start happening we need
    to start making some smart purchases now !..

    we need to look after the arsene contract and henry contract make sure these guys are around until they hang up there boots and clip boards respectively .

    i think DD wont be back . he hasnt sold his 4.5 % either
    but im sure the board will let stan help out , but they are to
    bigger control freaks to just throw the raines over to him ..

    also what would the chairman do if he did give control out
    , i think he still likes his job , and lets face it he cant sack himself !

  9. matt you truely are a cock master who wears rose tinted specs.
    i think you should go off and read the blogs at arsenal .com
    maybe forward thinking isnt your fort’e . your the type that obviously thinks the
    LAST 2 SEASONS HAVE WORKED !

  10. also fat matt you talk about faith . arsene is giving
    arsenal FC until december before he wants to spit his dummy
    WHAT SORT OF FAITH DOES THAT INSTILL ?

    rumours are also out that henry is packing his bags already

    your just the sort of twat who thinks 4th is good enough !
    your the one that needs to change clubs .. as you sound like a man U fan .. atleast someone might actually believe what you write there !!!

  11. ethan_gooner – Just calm down mate. People just want to discuss their opinions. If they’re not the same as yours there’s no need to be so aggressive towards them.

    There is as much reason to be optimistic as there is to be pessimistic and you seem to be the complete opposite of the supposed “rose-tinted brigade” you speak of. The realistic Arsenal fan sits somewhere in the middle.

    PS. Please don’t attack me for my opinions, but feel free to comment on them. Yogi, nice post by the way.

  12. Sticks and stones, etc. If anyone has a point to make cut the name calling because I switch off reading what you have to say when that starts. And to put you to shame, my 7 & 4 year old sons are capable of arguing without doing it, so you should be able to as well.

    Ethan

    You are in denial if you think that the last two seasons have not worked. Face facts the money has not been there to spend year on year *without* selling so who do you sell to make the most money? Your star players. And DD was there during this time so he shares some of the responsibility for the situation as well.

    Arsene never said he gave the club ’til December, The Sun did. That’s it. There possibly is an element of truth in that statement because he will know by then whether he is renewing his contract, or at least have a good idea. He has never renewed ahead of schedule so why get upset over it?

    Karthic,

    Has there been rapprochement between the two parties? I suspect the Board’s view hasn’t changed, just that PHW has been more ‘media savvy’ in his comments.

    DF won’t sell before the end of next season for tax purposes. He has to be non-domiciled for one year before his profits on selling any shares escape the clutches of the UK tax authorities and he only officially emigrated a couple of months ago. That is the driver behind the statement about the Board not selling out for twelve months.

    There is no guarantee that SK would takeover the Club. If he did, it is only media speculation that he will bring DD with him. The vitriol on various sites directed about Dein is not against him as a person rather the reverence with which a large number of people are showing him and the belief that he is the only one who did anything on the Board for the benefit of the Club.

    YW

  13. Great article. I feel that Freddie still has alot to offer as well..

  14. Spanish Fry : here we go again ..
    IM NOT ATTACKING ANYONE WHO AINT SHOOTING THE 1st BULLET !
    i suggest you read more carefully ..
    im just stating opinions that arnt based on your typical one eyed
    supporter !

    matt starts with
    Ethan,

    You are a cock -
    (before this i havnt even spoken to the twat !)

    godfreys says in the previous blog (yesterdays)arsene will never leave !
    yet in this mornings paper theres quite a solid case that i was right !

    these typical I LOVE ARSENE AND WHAT HES DONE FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS
    style of supporters get my goat !!!
    they need to take off the rose tinted specs and realize it isnt going well
    and we are going down hill!! not up ! I DONT NEED TO TELL YOU WHO WE HAVE LOST EXPERIENCE WISE IN THE PAST 3 YEARS, I DONT NEED TO TELL YOU WE FINISHED 4th and 21 points off the mark last season
    and its not suprising why our club is in this mess
    when you have cock heads like these telling us to have faith ..

    im sure thats what hilter said in 1943 !

  15. ethan_gooner (5) – I’ve sussed it – you play Football Manager. That’s no bad thing, I do (addicted in fact),. but your list of Under 22 players is a who’s who of players who turn out to be amazing in that game.

    It seems you’ve played the game, seen who becomes awesome, and confused that with real life. Now FM is often right, but their research is often based upon real scouts, who actually know more than they give away.

    Arsenal have a fabulous scouting network, and know more than you do from playing the game.

    No offence, but your player list gave it away.

  16. get your facts right yogi !
    like i said earlier ‘i dont REACT anyone who dont ‘fire the 1st bullet at me ‘ !
    you seem to have a very OPEN TO OPINION in your blog .. need i remind you ?

    There is an element of truth in what is said though to my mind and that is the timescale, which is of course what the hack in question is playing on. I have no doubt that AW will know by Christmas what he is going to do, if he has not already pretty much made up his mind already.

    and too say that we are better off the past 2 seasons in delusional ! , you do need to check out the statistics
    under arse’s rule we never finished out of top 2 ! until the seasons in question .
    HOW ON GODS EARTH do you say its a sucessful 3 years?. ?? maybe loosing wiltord,patrick ,pires,sol,lauren ,cole,dennis’s experience !!!being 21 points away from 1st spot maybe .. yes thats a good way to measure how extremely successful we are .. RIGHT?
    Oh you must mean the stadium ? all it did was make us uncompeditive ! and with NO BIG names left im sure in time if it continues like this, we will be lucky to fill 38 000 seats !

    If people start calling me a cock , or start forcing there opinions on me or tell me to be a chelsea fan what do you expect!?, i will defend myself
    you included..

    & why get so upset over it ? because ive been saying this in previous blogs after blogs copping all sorts of crap , and the whole time i was just SHARING my opinion , AND I WAS RIGHT ! confirmation
    in a major newspaper confirms my gutt feelings of the situation about arsene and that he was going to choke!

    all i said is why isnt he commiting to the future when he’s based all his desision making over ‘ THE LONG TERM WITH YOUTH ‘(in the past 3 seasons) a term i knew he wouldnt honour !!! IF YOU START SOMETHING YOU FINISH IT !WARNING SIGNS STARTED TO RING IN MY HEAD when fabs came out and said ill go if he does !WHY WOULD HE EVEN SAY THAT , some smart people would question why he would even bring it up .. back when we had a GREAT TEAM the invicibles sven could have ran the club ( well maybe not ) and arsene being manager wasnt so HIGH PRIORITY FOR US AS WE HAD PLAYERS @!
    LIKE barca or real .. it dont matter what manager is really there next season as you know they will be in the top 2 DUE TOO THEIR QUALITY !

    I still dont fathom on a month of sundays how you think we are better off the past 2 years than previous seasons .. you have me shaking my head !!! yes season 05/06 is far better than season 03/04 !
    yeah right ..

    your the sort that would rather us play the beautiful game and not score goals i spose !?
    we could all make a difference if we voiced what we really thought instead of sticking your head …in the sand , and saying we have faith in arsenal , arsene the board or who ever else your having delusions about SAVING US !

    we need to keep henry – keep arsene happy . and sign 3 or 4 HUGE names ..
    that is a recipe for success !

    you seemed pretty bright until just now ..
    im not an asshole like most of your blog readers
    but if anyone comes hunting for me ill have 2 big barrels just waiting for them !~
    i know my shit .. and im great at reading people ..
    shame none of your readers have an open mind ..
    you 1 eyed dipshits .. no one is stopping me barracking for my team ..
    i was born in north london .. where you ???

  17. ethan, you don’t half get angry at people that disagree with you!

    The Sun is a major newspaper in terms of sales, but not in terms of accuracy.

    The last two seasons have not been a success from a silverware point of view, but they have from a transitional long term point of view.

    At some point, the elderly team had to be dismantled and replaced with the new generation (the team Wenger is currently building). The success of the last couple of years has been maintaining the financial benefit of the Champions League while completing that transition.

    Some fans say that the next Arsenal side will be world beaters. You seem to think we’re utterly doomed. I’m somewhere in the middle, albeit quite optimistically.

    The Sun printed a story without quotes (quotes from an imaginary and unnamed ‘friend’ don’t count) confirms nothing.

  18. This whole money thing is such rubbish, they have money to spend, maybe not 60m but even steve stammers said today (who is well known to be in the know) that they have money to spend, wenger and the board have consistantly said they have money to spend. it is wenger that is not spending the money, simple as that, he has said time and time again that he will not buy players to get in the way of the young players, he is the one that is driving the current policy. most people think that it is time to change it, but he will not do that as shown by spending another 2m on yet another 16 year old. my other gripe of the day is why is wenger selecting the director of football, when he has not yet committed his future to the club, are we to think that grimster will be selecting a new manager if wenger decides to leave. wenger is too powerful already and having his appointment as the director of football seems to make this even worse. The board certainly seem clueless and leaderless at the moment and if wenger does leave it looks a real motly crew to pick up the pieces.

  19. pete ,

    i dont get angry when people disagree with me ..
    people have their opinions and their welcome to it .
    i get angry when people start to be rude & abuse AND THEN BLAIM ME !
    .. and question MY opinion to the degree they are ruthlessly abusive .
    or compare me to 5 or 7 year olds !
    my 9 year old daughter or 2 year old son will get lessons in life if they
    are rude to people .. maybe certain other people who have children dont ever
    teach there children these lessons .. But i believe you should always talk from the heart
    and try to be objective where ever possible .even if you rattle the cage.
    some people might call it being negative .. BUT I CANT SEE TOO MANY positives
    out of the past few seasons .

    dan , is spot on in my opinion ,he isnt blinded by one eyed supporting gits .

    but pete you said
    The last two seasons have not been a success from a silverware point of view, but they have from a transitional long term point of view.

    Well my only arguement is if wenger aint here next season is it still going to be sucessful?( or is it all for naught!??!)
    a new coach could come in sell fabs ..(although hes probly already left by that stage + others)
    or hoyte toure, gallas sell theo to chevs ’cause hes worth a fortune !??!?!and change everything arsene has set in place..
    Commitment is needed by the same man who asked for henrys commitment last year ..!

    if we keep selling our top players the second there worthy of 1st team action i cant see it EVER changing pete.we are a feeder to all that want our players and we will never get the glory of man U or real,barca,inter, chevs etc..
    we are sucessful as a feeder club .. and thats it ..
    if you want this club to have a HISTORY as winners we need to keep our player and replace all we lost !

    IS THAT SO HARD FOR ALL YOU ******* TO GRASP ??

  20. pete im not quite following the football manager thing ..
    i actually have south african satalite tv over 20 000 channels .. 24 hour football on constantly .. and i do follow most leagues .and the under 21s with a passion. all the players stated are what i consider to have pace , strength , infact most of them offer differing qualities and can play differing positions at a young age. nani and anderson are man U choices ,i also rate nugent and anton ferdinand too . but arsene likes too choose brazilian based players and thats what i based most of it on the under 21 teams .thats my secret ..but wenger does the same , but he just picks poorly .

    i did leave out the dutch as i think RVP and the possibility of babel means he wont pool from the dutch anymore ..
    ive always rated castro as a replacement right wing back
    (as eboue defensivly sucks :) )
    and marcelo is getting games now at real , but if you saw me on any blogs last year he was the young player i wanted to replace cole !!! he is the next roberto carlos ..
    also i was hoping after the CL game playing the russians
    i would of hoped that arsene would have picked akinfeev
    as our replacement for lehmann he was BRILLIANT !

    what is football manager an online game or something ?
    all the players ive stated have extrodinary stats ..
    maybe thats why the footy tipper thing your refering too
    mark them as future stars , maybe wenger should play it :)

  21. ethan – Yes, a lot of what Wenger is aiming for would be lost if he left now, because he has a vision and a successor would want to stamp their authority on it.

    But two points:

    1) Wenger is not leaving this summer, as he has stated himself. He has one year left to run on his contract, and will honour that. There is a lot of scaremongering going on that says he won’t sign a new one, but no-one actually knows the truth. Not you, not me. You can’t glean anything from the fact that he’s let it run down to the last year because he always does that, but likewise we can’t assume he will sign.

    2) Why would a new manager come in and sell all our best players? I would imagine in a manager tried to do that, the board would shoo him out of the door fairly sharpish.

  22. Ethan

    I let most things go but to read post after post of name calling is tedious. If someone is riling you, ignore them. Rise above them. There’s a life lesson to learn.

    My original point was not aimed only at you; I just happened to log on after you had posted. It was also aimed at the ones prior to your post.

    One final observation. You want to express your opinions. You want to speak from the heart. Fine by me. But re-read your posts. They are continually abusive of people who don’t share your viewpoint.

    I’m happy to debate all day – when work allows – but as I said earlier, after reading ten points all containing name calling, somehow the original comments tend to get lost in the mire.

    YW

  23. Wenger has traditionally let his contract wind down, but in the previous years he has stated that he intended to stay, the difference this time does seem to be that he really is not discussing anything further than his last year. He is entitled to that as he is good to his word and will not sign a new contract he has no intention of seeing through. The problem for arsenal (and lets not forget it is arsenal we all love not wenger who will eventually leave at some point) is that can we have a manager who is not committed to the long term, it clearly affects the players who are already there (and love him more than the club) and what motivation do they have for the new season. It affects any future purchases as the new players will invariably love him more than the club and affects the whole attitude of the club as where is the long term planning, are we going to spend the whole year concerned that fabregas, gallas and henry are satisfied that we have made enough progress for them, or we have bought enough players for them.

    as for being a feeder club, we are not one of the big european clubs full stop, we have punched above our weight domestically for the past 10 years. In reality if we keep signing these young foriegn players the best ones are never going to see arsenal as anything other than a stepping stone to the european giants.

    i would like us to sign more british players that see arsenal as the pinacle of their career.

  24. your 2 points hold alot of substance.
    and dont think for 1 minute i want wenger to leave ,
    im just dissapointed in the current climate
    he is refusing to commit .. and i think thats what the club REALLY REALLY needs is
    for him to be ‘a rock’ !!! stay true to his vision and not come out with statements like
    ill see out this contract then ill sit down with the board and SEE @!

    see?? holy moly ! some sort of better wording would make me feel a whole lot better…
    and you know arsene like i do he doesnt usually throw mud around from within his own camp
    but to come out and say he was shocked and disapointed by DD’s dismissal . sounds to me like any
    person who is RECONSIDERING ALL HE HOLDS DEAR !
    Not to mention what it does for morale of his young troup.
    BUT ALL IT MEANS TO ME IS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER TRANSITIONAL SEASON .
    AND WATCH THE TEAM I LOVE PUT ON ANOTHER MEDIORCHE DISPLAY .
    every win or loss will go under the microscope and fingers will be pointing at others .
    and on paper no one can say we even ‘look compeditive’ to man U or chevs..
    you all should visit dreamworld if you think so…

    and with your second point , we’ve sold all our experienced players up to date
    patrick , dennis retiring ,lauren ( what a penalty taker he was !)
    pires, cole the list goes on .. if it isnt wenger its the board making these big names disappear
    what makes you think thats going to change any time soon.. also not winning anything anymore will make the players who are still with us (the top players left) targets.

    i mean mark my words with fabs .. he still doesnt score goals , ok the kids a great passer
    world class number 1 central midfeild player in a couple of years ..once he starts scoring goals
    and can do everything within his potential. someone like barca – real -sevilla – valencia , whos ever top spanish dog at the time will
    wave the bucks and weve lost him .. think of lupoli ! HE WAS A GREAT PLAYER OF THE FUTURE
    signed for us too young , like fabs and now he’s home sick , ok cant blame them .. but we have great players in the UK ireland wales and scotland comming thru the ranks .. why not recruit them young, and not pay more than we have too .. do we really have any good scouts based in these nations ?
    if arsene is such an eye for talent why isnt he seeing what i can see ?!
    we could make nugent into an arsenal player and anton ferdinand .. least they wont be home sick in a season or 2 , and weve lost all that time and energy that weve put into them ,making them great ..
    only to be a feeder …

  25. Shame about Lupoli – he arrived with such promise and never really got a look in. I had high hopes for that one.

    You’re right, we’re a long way behind United and Chelsea at the moment, I’m not saying our squad as it is will challenge next season, because I don’t think it will. In that we agree.

    Players often use the ‘let’s sit down and see’ line to extract the best contract they can, because if they come out and say they’re desperate to stay, the board hold all the cards when it comes to wages. What concerns me is that I don’t believe Wenger goes in for these games.

    If Wenger was planning on leaving next summer, I wouldn’t want him to say now, as we’ve seen in other clubs how much performances dip when managers announce they’re leaving ‘at the end of the season’. Who knows what’ll happen, to be honest.

  26. dan in your last sentance you read my mind , i mean if your going to build this EMPIRE of youth recruit from near by !@

    i mean no one is questioning theo ! and in my mind he is x10
    a better player than fabrigas . Hoyte shows great potential

    so did muamba ! but the chumps sold him and stokes !
    2 great players that deserved a chance and would stay the distance if we returned the faith in them !
    yet we keep the likes of jeremie for 8 years .cause he’s french i spose ..

    also yogi .. ILL SAY IT A 3rd TIME FOR THE HARD OF HEARING
    I DONT FIRE ANY BULLETS UNLESS THEY ARE AIMED INITALLY AT ME !

    AND YOU DID SINGLE ME OUT ‘ ONLY !, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT !

  27. Obviously only wenger knows what his plans are, and unfortunately the board is too weak to force the issue therefore looks like it is going to be a summer of speculation followed by another season of transition. when you think about it, it is amazing what has happened in the space of only 3 years. if wenger just committed it would change everything and him being the bright guy he is obviously knows that.

  28. precisely , i can only think he isnt going to follow thru on his legacy .. it will truely become a ‘ legacy’ if so …

    i can see this huge shadow over arsene this season , is henry happy with the current season once underway ?.. so many clouds over differing personnel within the team .. is it really a recipe for a successful season .. this has been my underlying point on all my other blogs written.
    i think not .. why dont any of the other top 4 clubs have this sort of friction ?

  29. maybe cause they didnt sell all there experienced players ..
    and we have .

  30. no doubt wenger has made some very dodgy decisions in the past few years. maybe if he leaves we will console ourselves in the fact that he doesn’t seem to have the midas touch anymore.

  31. i think david dein was a huge part of him being sucessful in the past, maybe he doesnt want the arsenal public at large to see any chincks in his armour .. i am running into the realms of speculation now .. but i cant really see why he is so non – commital about his future .. when he must know for the teams sake that all they need is a bit of faith and commitment from their boss.

  32. Dear oh dear oh dear…..

  33. I think Gilberto may have said that AW spoke to the players at the end of last season and told them not to worry about the board room situation and indicated that he wanted to stay beyond the end of next season.

    However, Wenger is also an intelligent man and therefore I would not expect him to sign before he sees how the team shapes up next season and also whether there are going to be any changes at board level. The board agreed not to sell for at least 1 year – Wenger as a man who honours his contracts would not want to sign up only to see a complete change of regime where he does not have the level of influence and autonomy that he currently enjoys at Arsenal.

    The media are having a field day with their ‘Arsenal in crisis’ headlines. We have no way of knowing what is really going on so why waste energy worrying about it – what will be will be.

  34. Passenal

    Wenger as a man who honours his contracts would not want to sign up only to see a complete change of regime where he does not have the level of influence and autonomy that he currently enjoys at Arsenal.

    HE CURRENTLY ENJOYS ? so what you are saying is he putting himself infront of the club?caring only about HIS best interests? (i cant see that myself)
    also is it worth gambling the whole season away because of his new contract ? also why is he putting this YOUNG TEAM ON TRIAL
    when he was the one who created it to begin with !??!

  35. Ethan.. WHAT’S with ALL!! the CaPiTaL lettErS and EXCLAMATION marks!!!!!???

  36. I think you missed the point of my post Ethan gooner. How would Wenger be putting himself before the club if he considered those things before signing on the dotted line? Also, I don’t see him ‘putting this young team on trial’ but as he said he is 100% behind this team and really believes that they are the most talented group of players he has ever assembled. If they don’t deliver then he would question whether he has taken them as far as he can go, which seems logical to me.

    By the way – I don’t know if you are aware of the etiquette, but writing in capitals is considered ‘shouting’ in email/posting terms

  37. jimmy theres always a critic .. besides sorry if offend the computer geeks but architectural plans are all drawn in UPPER CASE , its not like i can click on BOLD or colours now is it !

    Passenal ,

    how can you say he is not putting himself before his young players , his young players dont sign his new contract ..
    HE DOES !

    it shows a pure lack of commitment to the legacy he created !
    say hes 100% staying at the club, and instill confidence in the likes of fabrigas etc.

    by not signing his contract now , after he has been asked questions like are you stay at the club past his contract,
    and he gives flimsy answers ,creates a HUGE GRAY CLOUD over his future …which inturn creates DOUBT !

    why else do you think fabs went on the record regarding arsene ??????

    publicity ??

  38. Ethan_gooner we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

    I also think Fabregas should have more confidence in his own ability even without Wenger to guide him. Hopefully this next season will allow him to see that.

  39. I think we do the board and Wenger a disservice in not aknowledging the quality of their working relationship. The economics graduate sees quite clearly that the club are not finacialy as strong as others and puts together a long time plan that, as a manager should do, appeals to his board. They have supported him through all his planning and reaped the benifits, and made everyone else jealous in the process. Coming from north London I am aware that the demand for supporters is great, how many of us had freinds who were Tottenham fans or Chelsea fans or in my day unsuprisingly Liverpool? To build a new stadium where they have, to do it on budget and to not be out of the running for major honours is a spectacular achievement for any club. To do so in London is extra special; when other teams follow a different approach to success (Chelsea) or try to follow but struggle to do so with much greater outlay and less infurstructure to show for it (Tottenham). If Wenger chooses to leave next year then his team will go with him it is the same at all clubs, but some will stay, those promising to come through the ranks, they will see it as an oppertunity. We may loose Fabregas but Bendtner will grab the chance. Yet this is all pointless as we have been down this road before with Wenger, the wait and see lobby have my vote. His pride at his professionalism is his measure, he has stated before to be paitent and we were rewarded, we owe him that much.

    The need to react and collect the problems at Arsenal in to packages of right and wrong and good and bad are pointless too.
    We should react and discuss as this excellent blog does to each issue as it arises. My point is David Dien. There seems to be the issue with him being the hero of the hour and all hell will break loose now he has gone. Yet I remember slagging him off on the last day of the North bank with several thousand others stating we would never buy his bonds etc. yet we did and he brought us this quiet French fella and now, well are we stuffed without him?
    Yet it was Fizman who built the stadium, and it was the board collectivly who, not thinking what Dien had done was wrong but that he had manoevered behind their backs that set them against him. Arsenal are the Bank of England club. We’ve won chamionships here and there for ever. We are always there and there abouts. The board are the reason for this, we may sell to the Americans but it will be a measured process and not a leveraged buy out saddling the club with debt. We may be innovatory (bond schemes), we will see nights when the stadium is half full (Wimbledon at Highbury on a wet Tuesday night) but not quite while the game and country are awash with money and we are a model of good company practise at board level and at management level, for any company let alone a football one.
    Its not what the blood and thunder fans like to hear I know, yet its a brilliantly smug vantage point to start the season from, and not the doom and gloom position the papers like to think.

  40. Passenal

    I understand your arguement , and i really hope your right .
    Its all based on wenger holding true to arsenal .
    I mean all we can do is speculate , but when fabs comes out with his ‘defend the boss speech’ , and arsene says things like he’s disappointed in DD’s departure ,i get the feeling that something just isnt the same as the other 10 seasons he’s been with us .. To me it leaves this HUGE GRAY CLOUD over his future , which isnt good for the youngsters he brought in , i just dont want that sort of thing affecting there game ..

    Gallas quoted that last season the youngsters gave up at vital parts of the season . how is that going to get any better
    when their leader is sitting on the fence ..

  41. I understand your argument too Ethan_gooner, but I still think a good leader teaches his followers how to become leaders themselves. You know you’ve succeeded when they can depend on themselves and no longer need you. That’s what I’m hoping for anyway.

  42. ITS OFFICAL

    Striker Henry ‘joins Barcelona’
    Barcelona are set to sign Arsenal striker Thierry Henry for a fee believed to be about £16m, according to reports coming out of Spain.

    The player’s agent, Jeff Weston, told BBC Sport: “The SEM Group have no comment to make.”

  43. aintnobodyworryin

    17m for Bent and 16m for Henry? That’s a joke I hope. Last year it was three times this…It’s a sad day if iti’s true. We will move on, but damn, 16m! Not enough!

  44. i spose you can put it down to a injury affected season ,
    he is almost 30 years old …

    well i spose that answer 1 question we obviously dont have the power to match henrys ambitions

  45. “well i spose that answer 1 question we obviously dont have the power to match henrys ambitions”

    Not necessarily – Wenger might be selling because Henry’s injuries are chronic and therefore make him less suitable for the rigours of the Premiership. Perhaps a less physical league might suit him better for his last few years.

    Even though I thought I had accepted he was leaving, I’m still shocked especially if the fee quoted is correct. But nothing lasts forever so goodbye and thanks for the memories.

  46. Passenal

    you are the eternal optamist, we are so screwed !
    the very reason half of these young players joined us wasnt cause of arsene
    it was because of the most talented striker in world football today, thats why barca
    wants him ..

    pass, who do we have now ? ade ? RVP ?
    maybe you think we should all chant HLEB HLEB HLEB ?!
    We havnt been compeditive since patrick left and somehow your
    thinking we can replace all that is lost with babies .

    goodbye champions league football !

    denile is not a river !

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