I had been intending to ignore the latest Will He, Won’t He saga; if his Agent strenously denies the current round of tabloid tales then so be it. You have to give the man the benefit of the doubt. Add to the mix the quote in this morning’s Guardian and it seems to me that Le Captain is staying put, for now,
I have taken no decisions. Lots of people are speaking on my behalf. It’s impossible to stop the rumours – it’s not the first or the last time that people are speaking for me. In my head I’m still an Arsenal player and my departure is not a current issue
Which is fair enough. The additional stuff about Dein is just hot air and as Arseblogger put it, he needs to get over it (although my memory believes a few other adjectives may have been inserted in the original quote making it more definitive).
However, there comes a point where the media circus around Henry is detrimental to the player and the squad. At a time when he should be focussing on the new season, he is still rehashing the old ground of a possible move. It is not conducive to a happy player and one thing that Henry needs to be to perform at his peak is happy. He has raised valid points about the Board and the Club need to sign a couple of ‘super super class‘ players (God how I have come to hate that phrase) in order to move the team up a notch at a quicker pace than their natural talent will do. This is not an unreasonable request in itself even though he has not acknowledged Le Boss’s holiday would have held that up.
The one thing that strikes me though is that he is playing down the ability of the squad. To request top players at the club denigrates those there to an extent, assuming that they are not up to the task yet it ignores the fact that for nearly half a season in 2006-07, one or both of our top strikers were missing. A fully fit Henry (or even RvP) would, I believe, have brought eight more points to the total – defeats to West Ham and Everton could have been wins and the Chelsea draw, a win – making third a clear placing and not too far behind Chelsea, enough to bring more optimism to the Club.
But that is supposition. Henry and RvP were missing and those results are set in History’s stone. So we look at next season. I have seen requests on mailing lists and boards for us to sign a world class striker. It is not going to happen. Why? Thierry Henry. Whilst he is at the Club, there is no way a Torres or Klose will sign because they know they will not displace Henry and neither of those two or their peers wants to leave their current teams to be a bit part player which is understandable as they have their own reputations forged through their efforts.
So the question then remains as to whether Henry staying is beneficial to the squad. To try and assess Henry dispassionately is very difficult. You cannot ignore the role he has played at the club since his arrival; the number of times he has scored important goals for the team. His detractors will argue that he has never scored in a Final for Arsenal. George Best never played in a World Cup Final but that does not mean he was any less of a great player.
Henry is a player who if he is in the mood, is still one of the top three strikers in the World. If he is fit and focussed, believes in the players around him and has confidence that they can win, no doubt about it, he should stay. If his heart is not in it, then he it is time for his Arsenal career to end.























I am so fed up with this rubbish, why every year should we have a media circus about one of our top stars leaving? It never happens at Manure, even when they were doing badly players get the boot nobody ever demands a transfer or if there is speculation they come out and deny it immediately.
It is now time for a yes or no from Henry definitive. It is no good saying “Oh its a rumour, but for now I am an Arsenal player.” We want to hear “Its a load of old Bollocks I am the captain of this great club and will be so till I can no longer run!” or “Thanks for the memories but my hearts not in it anymore I am going.” Open ended non-committal comments do nothing but add speculation to an already over hyped situation. You are right in saying it upsets the clubs preparations for the new season and it makes the fans edgy.
He is the club captain albeit not a particularly good one in my opinion, but nonetheless the club captain should not be doing anything that reflects badly on his teammates or the club as a whole.
It is a situation that must be sorted one way or another and it must be sorted sooner rather than later.
By: Drew on June 12, 2007
at 8:43 am
“A fully fit Henry (or even RvP) would, I believe, have brought eight more points to the total ….making third a clear placing and not too far behind Chelsea, enough to bring more optimism to the Club.”
Fair enough, but you should also remember Benitez, shamefully in my view, threw away at least nine Premiership points by resting large numbers of first team players in games before the Champions League Semi finals and the Final.
As you say it’s history but the point is that last season, for different reasons, both Arsenal and Liverpool had problems up front.
Your problem, should Henry should stop fannying around and decide to stay and RvP get fit, is solved, for next season anyway. Ours might take a bit more time to resolve!
By: redfloyd on June 12, 2007
at 8:56 am
Benitez appeared to have been content with a top four finish domestically which possibly had more to do with his thinking.
As for Henry, until he or his Agent, completely rule out a move, I do not expect him to stay. It would not surprise me if the Club accepted an offer; as Steve Curry put in on Sky Sports News this morning, due to his age, if he stays this summer he will be at Arsenal for life. I don’t believe Henry wants to see out that career without a couple of decent shots at the CL, something that we cannot guarantee giving him. Mind you, neither can Barcelona…
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 12, 2007
at 9:15 am
Check this out. A quote by Henry!
“Nothing is done. I repeat, nothing,” Henry told L’Equipe.
“AT THIS MOMENT I am an Arsenal player and in the same situation as I was last year.
“Last season people were announcing all over the place that I was leaving. Some people wrote that it would happen for sure but at the end of the day I stayed at Arsenal. It COULD BE the same this year.
“I’ve not taken any decision and my name is not up on any departures board. If something happens, I will tell everybody.”
Henry also admitted he is upset at Arsenal’s decision to axe former vice-chairman David Dein in April.
“David Dein’s departure was a mistake,” added Henry.
“I have said it before and I will say it for the next 20 years. If there was one person who had to stay at Arsenal, it was David Dein.”
This is just pissing me off now, for a start the club employ him and he should not even have an opinion on David Dein, or at least never voice those views in public. This undermines the current boards position in the eyes of the fans and it seems to me like he is brokering for Dein to come back, I am wondering if he will hold the current board to ransom over his commitment to the club.
If this is the case then he should go now, the Hill-Woods and the Bracewell-Smiths have been involved with running Arsenal long before DD and long before Henry came along so to suggest that DD was as close to being Arsenal as you could get shows the blinkered view Henry has on this situation. Maybe he needs to take off his orange coloured glasses!
Henry is being too vocal on boardroom matters, and is showing an arrogance that his opinion should matter on this fact that is frankly very misplaced.
His job is to perform on the pitch not to comment on how our owners run their affairs, he gets paid well and that is what he is there for. If my MD decided that one of his counterparts was no longer acting in the interests of the company and sacked him it would be none of my business. If I then went around saying what a stupid person he was for sacking him guess what would happen to me?? Elbow!!
By: Drew on June 12, 2007
at 9:18 am
I’m sick of him not saying he’s staying. We need Henry, but he’s being a right prima donna. No player is bigger than the team. And moaning about our 4th spot, christ we had allediare/diaby/baptista up front from jan.
By: les on June 12, 2007
at 9:24 am
henry is being seriously disloyal… i love the player but he signed his deal last year & made the decision to stay… that was his choice… no-one else’s… END OF STORY
now stop moaning, Henry, stick by your guns & start leading your club, setting a good example to your team mates
and let’s see the world’s best footballer next season enjoying the beautiful game
By: sig on June 12, 2007
at 9:24 am
Yogi,
The lack of a clear cut statement from Henry suggests to me that he has doubts regarding the future that he’ll hopefully be sorting out with Wenger &/or the board.
The sooner this gets sorted out one way or another the better.
That said, I’m beginning to wonder why is it that so many Arsenal players seem to be talking out of turn to the press. Granted, the press is going to hound them, but do the other big clubs have some kind of an informal gag order that atleast limits, if not forbids, players from going around talking about anything and everything? I share Drew’s perception about this not happening so much with the other biggies.
I agree entirely that Henry should leave if his heart isn’t in it anymore.
As for the George Best parallel, I must nitpick:
“never scored in a Final” and “never played in a…. Final” are two different things. Players earn greatness by crucial performances on the big stage. Has Henry delivered in the “big” games? Sensitive question that.
By: Karthic on June 12, 2007
at 9:27 am
Lads stop reading all the media hype, its driving you nuts. Henry is here till the club say otherwise. Thats the story right there.
By: DeiseGooner on June 12, 2007
at 9:30 am
Yes indeed, another saga. Deep inside I have this hunch that when Henry leaves, Arsenal will be much better off. They will win trophies without him….surely. This is a team game and whilst stars are important, they cannot hold the team to ransom.
By: Vic on June 12, 2007
at 9:31 am
Players always complain that they do not have enough of a break from the game. Why can’t they just go on holiday, put theit feet up for a month and keep their sticky beak out of matters that don’t concern them. Leave the transfers to the boss and if theit not happy at the end of the window take the matter up with the him not the media.
Henry’s problem is his ego, he can’t resist the temptation to have the major clubs in the world say that they want him and how great he is, as well as his team mates all begging him to stay because he is the star. So a slightly ambiguous comment, has the press jumping on it to set the ‘tell me how much you love me’saga off once again. However it may be a dangerous game, another season like the last may cause it to backfire and the fans are getting distinctly fed up with it. I think less than 100% effort on the pitch this season may see the fans start to turn against him and that would be a shame after all he has done for the club.
By: ps7 on June 12, 2007
at 9:36 am
Vic, I am beginning to agree, a while ago I would never have considered the fact. He is the clubs all time best goalscorer but he is getting ideas above his station. It is highly possible that the club will be better off without him, I have never really rated him as a captain anyway.
Didn’t Henry say that he was at Arsenal for life this time last year? I am sure he did, so why all this ‘for now’ bollocks?
A few weeks ago I said I would install Cesc as Captain instantly! He shows a maturity and eloquence years ahead of his time but since then he has come out and said his future is linked to Wenger, which shows a slight immaturity, so now I think Kolo should be club captain.
By: Drew on June 12, 2007
at 9:42 am
Guys,
His agent has come out and said that he’ll be with us next season!!!
I don’t know where the ambiguous comments attributed to Henry have come from, whether it be the press or on tv, but if it’s the press I’m sure it’s down to the fact that they can still keep this story running.
We all love Henry (good clean manly love, obviously), but it must get frustrating for him reading where he’s going every day.
He’ll be here next season, so lets just concentrate on that!!!
By: Scooch on June 12, 2007
at 9:46 am
Henry enters the dressingroom. With his droopy eyes he shyly stares at the tiled floor in a Betty Boop style manner.
Henry: Do you love me?
Team (in unison): Yes, captain, we love you!
Henry: Do you need me?
Team: Yes, captain, we need you!
Henry: Am I still the best?
Team: Yes, captain, the best!
Henry: Pfft! You’re just saying that.
By: Bing O Dehio on June 12, 2007
at 10:07 am
It’s all about the share price. Henry is suitably amibiguous the share price drops.
I wonder who could stand to benefit from that?
Surely not the best man at Thierry’s wedding’s father? A certain Mr Dein and his American buddy?
By: Queen of Suburbia on June 12, 2007
at 10:22 am
I am thinking on similar lines to Drew and Arseblogger here, with regard to the DD affair.
Possibly part of the problem has been he has had too much time to think with this long lay off.
It wasn’t his fault but he was unable to give us very much last season. All the while collecting his £120k,or whatever, per week.
If that was me I would be thinking I will pay that back on the pitch.
Let’s hope he does.
If he is fit and focused that is what we want but if he is constantly thinking “the grass is greener” then we would be better off without him.
As YW implied yesterday the “world still goes round” and we have to cope with what we have got.
By: Flint McCullough on June 12, 2007
at 10:28 am
Drew,
You can’t just change your mind about making someone captain after one mistake/ comment.
“”I don’t like Kolo’s hair today, so the captain’s armband is going to….”
Ps. Are you Drew10 from XBL???
By: Scooch on June 12, 2007
at 10:33 am
It’s clear to me that it is the defence that needs strengtening. We have the creativity and pace in both the midfield (maybe some muscles required) and attack to fight for the major thophies next season. A left wing is obviously needed. This will take some of the pressure of Diaby and Rosicky who neither are left wingers. Honestly think Malouda fits the bill, and SO glad overhyped Ribery “chose” Bayern and UEFA cup football. Rest of the midfield containing Fab, Gilberto, Diaby, Rosicky, Denilson, Ljungberg (?)and Hleb should keep us covered. The “only” thing lacking in the midfield is authority. There’s no doubt that Diaby will fill this gap evetually so lets hope he will remain injury-free and that his impressive progress continues.
In attack I see no place for any additional “super super class” strikers. The spots will be occupied by Henry, vanPersie, Adebayor, Bendtner and Walcott.
By: RvP on June 12, 2007
at 10:39 am
He is staying, as he should do with a 4 year contract signed last year and the captains armband on his arm. Next……..
By: DeiseGooner on June 12, 2007
at 10:40 am
Scooch,
Is that you, you old tart? I wasn’t deciding to change because of one mistake, however I don’t believe it would be a good move to install someone as captain that after one season if the boss leaves will want to up his boots and go back to Spain.
I still think he will make a great captain, and if he came out and said I want to stay at Arsenal for the rest of my contract ie 7 years and lead them into a new era, then I would have him as captain all day long. He is good in front of the media and is respectful yet he is firey and he even slagged of Mark Hughes. But if he wants to go back to Spain in the next couple of years we need a captain who will install stabililty into the club.
By: Drew on June 12, 2007
at 10:42 am
I thought Gilberto was an excellent captain in a quiet way.
He is apparently going to captain Brazil.
By: Flint McCullough on June 12, 2007
at 10:50 am
Thierry should be a gentlemen like Arsene and respect his cotract. He should also remember (although unlikely with his ego) that if it wasn’t for Arsenal and Arsene Wenger he would be in the reserve team at Juve. We have been incredibly good to him and to see him sulking about David Dein leaving is unacceptable. Changes always happen in companies, Arsene may decide to get some money for him whilst he can…
By: Tee on June 12, 2007
at 10:57 am
Juju, yeah it’s me!!!
Thing is we’re all slightly disappointed at last season. Whether this is down to injuries, lack of experience, lack of shots or whatever we can only air our own opinions on.
The press write a lot of shit about Henry and always have done. If you took the comments by TT and cut out all the rest of the crap, then I’m sure that half the people who are pissed of with him wouldn’t be.
It is frustrating that he doesn’t constantly come out everytime there’s an article about him leaving, but whether it’s his ego or papers manipulating his quotes, he’s still the best player to have ever worn our shirt (IMO) and he’s still our captain.
My point is that what’s written about Henry a large percentage of the time is only written to try and destabilise the support for the club and love for Henry.
As it stands next season, if everyone stays fit and with maybe 1 or 2 new signings, we’ll be up there with ManUSA (I also think that Chel$ki may have had their time now that Abramovic seems unwilling to pump his endless monetary juice into them!!!)
By: Scooch on June 12, 2007
at 11:13 am
Interesting choice of words by Henry’s Agent & his company. Anderson has denied meeting with Barcelona but not *talking* to them. A spokesman for them said last night,
“It is all just media speculation, as it was last year, and the year before”
Erm, I understood last year was more than speculation which is why Henry took a season to decide.
I completely agree that the Club will win with or without him but AW needs to be able to plan definitively for the new season so it is Henry who has to commit to the club. He insists that the Club match his desire and show he is wanted. FFS, he has to get more secure. If he doesn’t like what is going on, leave and allow us to get on with it.
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 12, 2007
at 12:04 pm
he is acting like the spoilt little tosser he is. They should sell him and get on with it already. has there ever been a player with such a huge ego. he was amazing and great and probably the best player we have ever had, however at 30 he is not going to get any better and if 20m is on the table, we would be silly not to take it and buy a younger and more hungry player. in reality we will not be competing for the league anyway next year and if the thought is the future then he clearly is not the future of arsenal football club.
By: dan on June 12, 2007
at 12:39 pm
We all know know Henry has a huge ego, loves to talk to the media, etc…it has always been slightly annoying and will not change…
Is it just one of his legendary swings of mood or a genuine concern for the ambition of the club over the next years i don’t know and neither do you. What i know though is that the days of football players putting the love of the club above 1/ salary or 2/ chance of silverware are over for good…and Henry is just as any other guy on that front.
I don’t believe one second that Cesc, Kolo, Gael or RvP will be at AFC in 2-3 years if the Club has not won any silverware and they get an offer from a prestigious club…that is just the way football works nowadays.
For those who want guys on the pitch to care as much as they do for the shirt and not care about money/success the best is to stick to sunday morning football or move to another planet because on this one it’s not gonna happen
By: Tokala on June 12, 2007
at 1:14 pm
tokala, in general i completely agree with you. however i think kolo, clichy and RVP do care about arsenal and will stick it out, certainly not fabregas though.
By: dan on June 12, 2007
at 1:54 pm
Can’t resist further stirring the pot:
“The Arsenal forward has been backed down to 7-4 from 7-2 with Ladbrokes to be plying his trade at Anfield after a string of wagers.” – The Times.
Queen of Suburbia makes a point that’s a conspiracy theorist’s dream; But times are such, there’s no dismissing it.
Should the club evolve some kind of policy regarding players going around spouting their opinions?
By: Karthic on June 12, 2007
at 3:24 pm
Whether Henry leaves or not doesn’t really affect me. I wouldn’t mind if he made up his mind to stay, but if he leaves, I also have a hunch our club will be better off. But what I’m thinking of about now is that the way Henry is behaving now, blabbering his mouth off, I’d be surprised if Wenger wouldn’t sell him off if the right price come.
And I think Gilberto should be the captain for now. Henry was my god for a few years, but I can feel he is really losing his edge now.
By: Ryan on June 12, 2007
at 4:42 pm
I have to say having mulled it over for a day – well, OK thought about it for five minutes – I get the sense that TH14 is an immensely frustrated man. I guess missing half a season through injury won’t have helped but from the sidelines, he will have seen the deficencies of the play at first hand. It won’t have helped his mood at all with the inactivity on the transfer front and the sniping from the advisors.
However, as Captain he has a bigger responsibility to the club and his words don’t improve the situation. He is an intelligent guy who knows the exact impact that his words will have. If he is trying to engineer the return of DD then he will get burnt because the manager and board won’t tolerate him destabilising the club. Before they act though will be the support’s view of him. People’s reactions now are that ‘he’s staying and its good for the team’. Another two months of this and there will be no-one who can successfully defend him.
I said it the other day; if he is going to stay, he says so unequivocally. None of this ‘I’m an Arsenal player for now’ crap. The only way he can end speculation is by stating that ‘I’m an Arsenal player and I have no wish to leave’. Otherwise it goes on. The longer that happens with him actively avoiding the subject, pussy-footing around it, the more disrespect he shows for the captaincy, the club, his colleagues and the supporters.
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 12, 2007
at 5:57 pm
I was in the ‘Henry should definitely stay’ camp but I’m moving towards the couldn’t care less whether he stays or goes. I was never a Henry-worshipper although I always respected and admired what he did for the club but if his ‘for now’ comments are designed as a thinly veiled threat that if Dein is not reinstated then… he can definitely P*ss Off.
He has reportedly said it was ‘not clever’ to get rid of Dein, well Thierry it’s also ‘not clever’ for you to be spouting your mouth off about something that is none of your concern. If Wenger can get on with his job that he is paid to do then so should Henry. If he is not careful he will find his bluff called as there is no way Wenger and the board will allow themselves to be blackmailed by him. He needs a reality check before the love he once had from the fans turns to hatred.
By: Passenal on June 12, 2007
at 6:14 pm
Karthic, what big games are you talking about? Is MANU VrsAFC, Pool Vrs AFC, Tottenham Vrs AFc, Real Madrid Vrs AFc, Juventus Vrs AFC not big games. For Henry haters whatever he does wil not satisfy’cos he didn’t play for your team.
I personally believe that Henry is not a good leader, he is an exceptional player but he should not have been made captain. I don’t know what went into his selection as captain. I can’t imagine Tony Adams making such statements or even Viera. If he wants to go, he can go in peace. Nobody is bigger than the Club, Arsenal will always move on, we moved on when Liam Brady left and we will be successful again whenever he decides to leave. He can’t hold us for ransom, it’s time for him to make his mark. His statements are so unsettling for the team, fans and management. Some of us know when he arrived and what Arsenal has done for him. Today he has become so powerful that even Gordon Brown commented about the rumour of he leaving the club recently. That’s how much Arsenal has made the man Henry, hope he doesn’t forget.
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at 10:02 pm
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at 11:59 pm
Howard,
You presume from my question re: Henry that I’m a Henry hater.
I’m not. I think he’s a fine player, but ‘am open to people asking whether he imposes himself on the big games. Do I have an emphatic answer to that question? No.
By: Karthic on June 13, 2007
at 2:32 am
Dan, why the presumption that Toure, Clichy and RVP care about arsenal and will stick it out and not other players? With all due respect to those players, they have never been officially approached by other clubs nor have they had constant media attention/speculation about them moving to (lets face it) big-name clubs like RM, Barca like Henry, Fab and back in the day, Vieira have had to deal with. When you’re not constantly forced to make statements about your future, with every word scrutinised by the public it is easy to get the impression that they love Arsenal and want to stay forever but thats not necessarily the case.
By: Sam on June 13, 2007
at 5:17 am