All the ‘news’ dominated by Theirry Henry, to the extent that even the Government has an opinion on it. Gordon Brown reportedly told Sports Journalists that he believes Henry will stay at Arsenal, having met Le Captain at some function or other. Meanwhile, Johan Djourou hits the nail smack, firmly and squarely on the head,
It must be a worrying time for the fans because you never know what is going to happen this summer. Thierry has said before that he wants to stay. Now I don’t know if he is sure or not. We will see soon but I hope he decides quickly.
He is a great player and you could see we missed him, especially as he is captain as well. But the team has come on quite a bit and next season I think our team will be very good. I think this coming season is the one where we have to win something. This is going to be a big year for us
It’s an interesting choice of words – we have to win something – that at once puts pressure on themselves and raises expectations, perhaps unneccessarily. We all want Arsenal to win something but surely there is more to being a supporter than seeing your team lift trophies? I think it was Passenal who asked why we have to put up with the media speculation about players leaving the club every summer, as opposed to signing’s dominating the back pages.
Currently, that is the reality (or perception) that we are skint, the money cupboard is bare when Old Mother Wenger goes to raid it. Plus with Le Boss reportedly not back ‘into the office’ until Monday, there is not much the media can do to get a quote. Sir Bufton Tufton? Ken Friar? Keith Edelman? Who out of those three actually has anything to say of substance? Arsene copped some flack yesterday for not responding to the ‘Henry Crisis’, another stick with which he is being beaten unfairly. As far as some people are concerned, it seems he can do no right. Take a holiday because he needs to recharge his batteries? No, not a chance. Be available for the press at all times seems to be their belief. These are the same people who if their bosses phoned them on holiday would ‘cop the arse’ to a serious level. Trust me, I’ve been there when you have to be contactable whilst you are away. It isn’t nice for your children to see their father talking about work on a beach somewhere for an hour when they should be getting your undivided attention. My message to those who believe he should have nailed the Henry story on the head – back off and let the AW have a break. You want one when you go on holiday so don’t be so f***ing hypocritical.
However, back to the point. Media driven perceptions are king at the moment and have been since Sky took over broadcasting the Premiership. I have no issue with their coverage, aside from messing the kick off times about, and to be honest, they have raised the bar as far as live football is concerned, taking it to people who would not otherwise be able to see a match. But there is a downside in the hype surrounding the Game increasing to unsustainable levels, sanity-wise. With the advent of the Champions League, the perception of football is skewed. Arsenal are perceived in this country as a ‘big’ club yet is it that way worldwide and if it is, on what basis?
Firstly, in terms of England, we are historically a big club. Trophies in the cabinet sustain that view yet the reality is that it is only the last ten years that have brought sustained success since the 1930’s. A huge gap. However, other clubs bear the same comparison. Liverpool’s reputation as a big club is based on the 1970’s & 1980’s; no argument there, they were the dominant force in English football. Manchester United’s is on their fanbase, their history similar to that of Arsenal and Liverpool, successful years and barren as well. Chelsea’s is based on current wealth and two back to back titles, otherwise they were known as a ‘cup’ team, never seriously on board as a ‘big’ club until this decade.
However on a European scale, Arsenal are not a big club. We rarely deliver at the top level in terms of trophies. When compared with those teams we consider to be our peers, we fall short. The Fairs Cup and Cup Winners Cup are the only two to have been won, defeats in finals in the three major tournaments (as it was) on four occasions. We cannot even begin to compare that with Milan, Internazionale, Bayern, Real, Barcelona, even our peers in this country have outshone us. Teams we consider ourselves to be ’superior’ to have better records – Ajax, Benfica spring immediately to mind – so we need to bear that in mind when we have great players such as Henry and Vieira, the media speculation based on their desire to win Europe’s biggest trophy.
So we should not be surprised when our best players are coveted by others. In my time, regularly going to Highbury and now The Emirates, we have always had good players who were wanted by others and some left of their own accord with best wishes – Brady – others not so well thought of – Stapleton – but it happens. But whatever the events are, Arsenal will survive. The Club will continue and the ’silent’ majority will continue to support them through good times and bad. Others may drop by the wayside and that is their choice, we should not judge them for that. If it is their desire to just follow ‘fashion’ then so be it. But we need a reality check people. We do not have an inalienable right to win a trophy every season. We have the right to demand that the team give their all in an effort to do so. Players will come and go, the Club will always be there.























This article gives the impression that Arsenal should not push on and join the world class elite but slip back to what we were 20/30 years ago before David Dein became involved – a mundane club which was considered to be below Tottenham and Everton in ambition.
By: leicester gooner on June 9, 2007
at 7:42 am
No the point is to explain why we get the media circus over our best players. Once we deliver at the top level, then the circus stops but until we challenge regularly for the ECL other European clubs perceived to be bigger than us will continually sniff around our players.
And for the record, David Dein played a part in the success over the last 20 years but was not solely responsible. He did not identify the targets – Graham and Wenger did. He did not invest millions in the club but brought a commercial awareness that the club previously lacked. Yet not all of that 20 years or so was trophy laiden. Please stop eulogising him. We have won things with him, we will without.
And they say that Wenger and Henry are bigger than the Club. People are building DD to a mythological status. God help him if he returns and the club don’t win anything.
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 9, 2007
at 7:50 am
leicester gooner put the nail on its head! This article asks us fans to not expect success, we are the fans and as a fan I believe its our god given right to succeed and win trophies! If we are not a big club then we ought to work towards being one. That starts by keeping our top players and demanding their loyalty! I am tired of the whole vieira-esque saga of henry leaving.
The players should be proud of playing for the arsenal and getting flattered by interest from other so called big clubs is depressing! Especially when it comes from our own captain!
We need to be ambitious and the Arsenal is and continue to be the big club that we want it to be.
By: robin the 2nd on June 9, 2007
at 7:57 am
OK so why is it our ‘God Given Right’ to win something?
We demand a loyalty from the players that we don’t give them. Do they get support from everyone when things go wrong. Like hell they do. They get sections of the support on their back.
We should aim to be a big club but until we deliver…
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 9, 2007
at 8:01 am
Fight the good fight YW – you are 100% right here.
No one wants the club to fall back & why should it ?
Arsenal has been ,is and will continue to be one of the world’s top clubs. The way to ruin that is the Leeds Utd approach, a warning to us all.
Just the slightest touch of realism would help LG & R2 in this world.
All clubs have peaks & troughs even the great international clubs you mention.
By: Flint McCullough on June 9, 2007
at 8:12 am
Leicester gooner and robin the 2nd, perhaps you should both re-read the article as you’ve completely missed the point. YW is just trying to put things into perspective as far as the relative ’size’ of the club is concerned.
I agree with you YW – the success of the last 10 years has led some people to thinking that we are already a big club, but what Arsene is doing is trying to put us into a position where the best players from other clubs will be linked with us rather than our best players being linked away all the time. The stadium is all about short-term pain for long-term gain. You cannot become a big club overnight. The problem is the ‘quick-fix’ society we live in will not allow him time for the investment to pay off. Maybe even some of the players have feint hearts when it comes down to it and want instant success knowing their playing time is short. That is understandable. What is less understandable is that if you are a supporter who is supposedly ‘Arsenal for life’ you should have the luxury to be more patient as there is time to see the fruits of Arsene’s labour.
I’m not sure that next season will be our season but I see enough signs to be convinced that things will come together soon. I’m willing to wait because success will be so much sweeter and more sustainable because it has been built with strong foundations, not from buying the latest overpriced mercenary who will be off at the first opportunity of a better pay day somewhere else.
If you want loyal players, try showing them some love and not ripping into them at the first chance you get.
By: Passenal on June 9, 2007
at 8:19 am
Very good points make by YW. Go think about it – do you support gunners cos you like the club and enjoy the way they plays or do you just want the club to be succesful so you’re not shamed in front of fans ? Thats the differents between a fan and a supporter.
By: Hairy Bottle on June 9, 2007
at 8:29 am
In a European competition sense we are not one of the biggest clubs in the world, probably one of the best clubs to have never one a European Cup final, but it’s only a matter of time and these cup competitions can always throw up unpleasant surprises. When you take into account our international fanbase though, I’d say that we definitely are a big club. I’d also say that Wenger has very much laid the foundations for us to be a big club for years to come, what with the training ground and the stadium etc. Clubs with spectacular homegrounds like ours don’t tend to struggle in mid-table obscurity, or they don’t for very long. Wenger wants to see Arsenal as one of the best clubs in the world and even if it doesn’t happen in his time, there’s a good chance that it will happen and that will be his legacy.
By: AusGunner on June 9, 2007
at 8:40 am
I am not being critical to your pov, all i am saying is that we need to be positive and always expect excellence from the club, players and even the supporters!
As fans we believe its our god given right, why shouldn;t it be? we want to win and be the best and the biggest club in the world!
Right now things look awry, with henry getting “flattered” and fabregas “dreaming” of barca. do you like to hear that? I don;t! and I won;t just sit back and say yeah lets have a reality check as we are not as big as barca/milan so well gotta live with it.
We have to act like the big club, demand loyalty and support our players. But when we hear stuff like that, it just plain sucks!
What i am saying is that a little more ambition from the club and the fans would be nice. Heck even the spuds are fancying their chances now…
By: robin the 2nd on June 9, 2007
at 8:52 am
I’ve always thought from a European point of view we are considered on a par with a club like Valencia in terms of stature. They have to constantely put up with speculation regarding David Villa as like Henry he is coveted by the “bigger” clubs.. However i began to think, we are far from the only club to suffer constant speculation over their best player.. ManU have had to field constant questions about Ronaldo, Milan ditto re. Kaka, Barcelona Ronaldinho, Liverpool Gerrard and this year Chelsea have even had Lampard and Terry linked away. Just read the comments coming out from Spain about Robben and Lampard, they are the same for Henry.. So i’ve come to the conclusion that it is merely a hazard of having a great player on your books. To say “i’m fed up with having speculation every summer” makes no sense because if there was no speculation, then it would mean that no one wanted him and the only reason that would happen is if he wasn’t as good as he is. So it’s not a sign we are not a big club, it’s just a sign that Henry is one of the best players in the world.
By: Jimmy on June 9, 2007
at 8:56 am
Excellent stuff Yogi. Expectations have certainly been raised in the Wenger era and much of our fan base has been acquired in this time. The media will always look to feast on failure and the bigger and more sustained the success has been the more newsworthy the failure. In some ways I think this indicates we are a big club. Reading, or Tottenham even, losing one of their best players would cause few ripples but at Arsenal it’s a train wreck.
The lack of a CL trophy might affect the view of us as a big club in Europe but the UEFA 2007 rankings (based on European perfomances over 5 years) ranks us as 5th – above names such as Real, ManU, Ajax, Juventus, Bayern who have won it in the past. The biggest in Europe perhaps not – but a big club nonetheless.
All of this has been achieved without big money on players which is the way some supporters feel that big club status has to be validated but in truth we just have to be competing for the big trophies every year and winning one or two of them from time to time. That we are quite capable of doing under the present set up.
By: Amos on June 9, 2007
at 9:04 am
Amos
Its interesting that you raise the rankings – it was looking at them last night that partly sparked the post. Anyone interested should look at Bert Kassies excellent site which explains them well and has a huge wealth of information about them including those for next season – go to here for more
My guess is that unless we reach the QF’s in 2007-08, we will probably drop into the second group of seeds. Which indicates the level we are at currently.
Indeed, we’ve only in the first pot because of getting to Paris so over time, the team have woefully underperformed given the personnel involved.
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 9, 2007
at 9:32 am
Good post Yogi.
Are we a “big” club? That’s a tough one, and I don’t really care.
I’d personally like us to win the Champions’ league under Wenger, and otherwise consistently feature in the penultimate stages of the competition.
That said, I’m proud of the football we play and of the fact that the club has been run with prudence. I don’t think we need to endanger our financial stability in order to compete for the highest honours given Wenger’s development of this team. What I certainly want is a club that is first and foremost managed well, plays football in a manner that befits the “beautiful” game, and from those bases challenges for the honours.
I don’t for a moment think those goals are incompatible, given Wenger’s ability to spot value in the transfer markets.
Yogi,
Understandable as your vexation with the media is, I feel we should just let them be: The hacks have a living to make, and the sports pages to fill even during summer!
By: Karthic on June 9, 2007
at 9:37 am
Hey, I’m just an Angry Young Man…
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 9, 2007
at 9:39 am
Lots of good points from various directions.
First, let me say as others have that a true Gooner will support the club no matter what. I’ll be screaming for the Arsenal after Henry and Cesc have gone — but having appreciated all they’ve given us.
On the matter of whether or not we’re a big club, well, in terms of money and clout, now that we’re in the new stadium, we are. Full stop. Lots of revenues, worldwide fan base, right in the heart of the world’s city.
But here’s another way to look at it: Is there ANY team in the world that wouldn’t fear playing THIS Arsenal team — with the players currently on the roster — if all were fit and in form?
We’ve played the best in Egnland off their feet with one hand — or two strikers — tied behind our backs. We whipped one of the CL finalists THREE times. Beat the Prem champs home and away, once without Henry.
One year earlier, when the danger men were healthy, we beat Real, Juve and would have beaten Barca with 10 men if TH hadn’t been so exhausted from tracking back to help so much that he missed that killer second goal — the kind he puts away in his sleep.
So I think you can safely say that in terms of world recognition and respect from other clubs — right now and for the future — we are definitely a BIG club.
Walk around the Emirates someday if you doubt it.
As for the silverware, it will come as it comes, to really good teams who are routinely knocking on the door — and we will be.
Man U went three years without a stick of silverware and just won the Prem.
Real hasn’t won a thing in three years, either.
No need to panic, smile with pride at being a Gooner — and whoever said the Spuds believe they’ve passed us, hell, they’d better get cracking because it’s now 18 tries without a win.
Stay loyal, stay committed, stay patient. For this great club, it’s all worth this short-term nonsense.
By: California Steve on June 9, 2007
at 10:39 am
I believe that whenever he submit that he wants to leave he should be allowed to leave ‘cos his body language as I saw on the ESPN repeat interview wasn’t good. He wants to leave and trying to hide behind Dein’s predicament to do so. He can leave, Arsenal will remain Arsenal perhaps even stronger. Surprisingly Cesc has began to show disloyalty too.
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