The Sun yesterday linked us with AJ Auxerre Right Back, Bakari Sagna, in a £6m deal. The “article” notes that he was recently voted ‘Best In Position‘ (which makes it sound like some sort of Crufts award) by his fellow players. Not particularly aware of him myself although apparently he was called up for the France squad at the weekend. But it does raise an interesting question, namely why are we trying to sign him? Having two ‘young’ RB’s at the club already, with Djourou also able to cover there, it seems that AW wants to shake them up. Personally, it would be unlikely that Sagna would sign knowing, or believing, that the is third in line nor do I think AW would sign someone for that much to be a reserve, even if two of his ‘first choice’ defenders are moving onto the ACN in the early part of 2008 as Ivory Coast are within a point of securing their berth.
The career info I can glean indicates he has made 87 appearances since the start of 2004 for Auxerre as well as around 15 or so in the UEFA Cup. To me, that is not indicative of the experience that the players and Wenger have both made a point of telling us that we should be signing. What it does show however is that he has doubts about the long term future of Hoyte or Eboue which is odd given that this year has seen both sign new contracts. So, is he genuinely considering pushing Eboue forward into midfield or is the Frenchman, who was a centre forward to begin with (apparently), being thought of as a midfielder? Not having seen him in action, I cannot say but I have said before that I think Eboue would be better utilised in midfield with his ability to deliver a decent cross. He has been defensively suspect, positionally speaking and maybe this is AW’s ‘get out clause’ in that Eboue can fight with Hleb for the wide position and provide cover if injuries strike. Indeed, Eboue would provide the ‘natural’ width on the right, allowing Henry and RvP to drift to the left hand side of the attack.
Possibly, AW is preparing for not being able to sign the Left Sided player he wants (especially with Bayern having ‘advanced negotiations’ with Marseilles to the point where Ribery is nearly ready to take a medical ahead of a £17m move) and is thinking of moving Hleb across to fight with Tomas Rosicky for that berth. That part of the summer should not really surprise anyone as Wenger has a history of moving players out of their natural positions – Petit and Lauren spring immediately to mind at this Godforsaken hour. Whilst Arsene has said he wants more width, I do not believe that to mean that he wants two wingers, merely to spread play a little more than we did last time round. The midfielders on the both sides have the habit of cutting inside rather than taking the defender on and putting in a cross. The only one who gave width last season was Eboue, so a move upfield has a certain logic to it.
Fran Merida is being linked with a loan move to Atletico Madrid for the next season, according to Sky Sports. It is not hard to see this one happening but as is the case with Carlos Vela (linked with Levante a few weeks ago), it can only be of benefit if they are to play a substantial number of games for the first team, otherwise is it not better to keep them at The Emirates or in a Championship team here. Vela is a bit different in that his stay in Spain enables him to bypass the need for a work permit having been in the EU for a couple of years. However, in Merida’s case, if he can get some UEFA Cup football under his belt as well, it would be beneficial for him to go to Madrid for a year rather than say, Wolves, who have made it clear that they will be looking to utilise the loan system in order to get promotion next year. Whilst the Primera Division and Premiership are essentially different styles of football, Wenger prefers his players to be technically adept, particularly in midfield, something that is not going to be learnt in the frenetic pace of the Championship.
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I really hope this Sagna thing is nothing but a rumour. For every masterstroke in terms of putting a player in a new position there is a dissapointment. Even Hleb, a central player, has not succeeded at right wing.
Training players in new positions takes time. I just don’t see why he doesn’t buy a ready made winger rather than converting Eboue. It is a bit frustrating if true.
As for pushing Hleb out to the left – Geeeeeez!
I know it is only early June but if that is AW’s solution then I am baffled.
By: Sniff on June 5, 2007
at 7:19 am
I think your looking to deeply into the right back position saga.
like youve already said ,and just about answered your own question, eboue is going to the african nations cup and along with toure & we will be short in defence this year.
eboue is a little bit green in the defense (not to mention short fused) and unless you have plenty of injuries he wont EVER feature in leiu of hleb midfeild.
I personally think we lack a bit of experience in the wing back areas anyhow.. I sure he is hoping Djourou,senderos and hoyte will step up also but lets face it, mid season is a bit late to say, coulda shoulda woulda and be short on talent. So just buy him now and hes a great buy on paper anyhow. hes actually from sengal right?
And as for midfeilders we have got our lions share in denilson,hleb, rosicky fabs, gilberto, walcott, RVP,diaby. but a winger that can play on both flanks is a MUST for additional cover.
A top class striker to take the pressure off henry would
be a bonus too . as he looks jaded since dennis’s departure.
Im sure RVP and company would be naffed at me saying this , but could you imagine if we had 2 henry class players
up front (eto,villa,torres)
I have every faith in RVP thou, i think sooner or later he will be dennis ‘junior’. but he needs a few more dimensions added to his game before i would say he is world class.
By: ethan_gooner on June 5, 2007
at 8:03 am
sniff,
i dont think arsene is going to make players change positions
i mean the last time that really happened was flamini to left back (last time it worked i mean) .. but that was good to watch and in some ways i wish flamini stayed around .. he proved with the limited playing time arsene gave him that he could find the back of the net too .
. anyway freddie is our 1st choice right winger anyhow
also i hope arsene will give rosicky
more chance to claim the left winger spot in midfeild.. ok hes a class player that under preformed in the area ,but remember it was his first season in the UK .Im sure he will be more solid next season .. we should get jefferson farfan ! he can play just about anywhere other than defence and is a wonder kid in my opinion.
By: ethan_gooner on June 5, 2007
at 8:11 am
Ethan
I doubt AW would spend £6m now for a reserve RB. That represents what is accepted as just under 1/3 of his total transfer budget. There is nothing wrong with Eboue in midfield, he has the characteristics of a genuine wide player, pace & a good cross so why not?
As for Hleb on the left, it is more sense than him on the right. He cuts inside as it is, and given he is right footed, the angle is better for him to shoot from that side.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 5, 2007
at 8:32 am
What makes anyone think this particular rumour is true?
If we want another RB then Arsene should persuade Flamini to stay. Given how well he performed, on the wrong side, at LB I feel he would make a solid & dependable RB.
He will always be a useful midfield player but he wont be any better than that. Not to the point where he will be 1st choice at a top club. RB though could be a position that would achieve that aim.
“a winger that can play on both flanks is a MUST”
I would agree but can anyone name the player that fits the bill?
Ribery does not score a lot of goals.
The only out & out goalscoring typical winger we have had in the last 10 years was Overmars. Le Bob , Freddie etc are really a bit more than wingers.
Part of Wengerball is to play the full backs as virtual wingers. Usually the LB rather than RB but now we have Eboue & Clichy with pace to burn. Hoyte was improving going forwards too.
Eboue playing at RB with Hleb playing him in does become a winger. I doubt that anyone is quicker than him & he certainly has the ability to cross the ball.
By: Flint McCullough on June 5, 2007
at 9:02 am
Flint
From my point of view, this rumour works for me because it fits with a view I have on how best to get some width that we needed last season.
On that front, I think that an obsession has developed amongst the support with a left hand side, primarily through not replacing Pires directly. We have been spoilt over the last ten years with a strong left sided midfielder – Overmars, Pires and to an extent Reyes – but why not swap over and have the width on the right?
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 5, 2007
at 9:09 am
How soon one forgets Reyes but he wasn’t a goal machine was he?
We have the potential capability on both flanks at the moment. Clichy doesn’t have the final ball at the moment but he will. We have seen what Eboue can do – good & bad.
It is a matter of which midfielders that can work to utilise the pace of the full backs, both in terms of playing them in & covering defensively. An out & out wingers could actually restrict this particular asset that we have.
By: Flint McCullough on June 5, 2007
at 9:19 am
Reyes wasn’t a goal machine but give the lad some credit, he contributed. If he hadn’t made such an Arse of himself in the manner in which he left, then he would probably be remembered with more fondness. The fiasco was a lesson in PR that the club should never forget – messages on websites “I’m staying”, “Honest I’m Staying”, “Reyes Sold” hardly shows a cohesive policy, eh?
The lack of goals from midfield was a glitch I believe and one that won’t be repeated, especially as the attacking midfielders recognise that they need to redress that balance. Yet one thing that was shown last season was when we got wide and crossed, we have forwards who can head the ball so that option needs to be enhanced as a Plan B against the massed ranks of defenders and midfielders we will face again this coming season.
Not long now. Only 9 days until the fixtures are released and 39 days until the first pre-season goes. Given that we’ve been linked with about 20 players since the season ended, there will be another 30 or so to go…
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 5, 2007
at 9:28 am
Flint,
Your arguements are valid.
But I’m with Yogi on this one, in that Eboue doesn’t seem cut out for sensible defending at all. “Wengerball”, to work well, demands a lot of a fullback; I think Eboue might just be deficient in one half of the equation.
While certainly a risk, I’m not sure playing wingers out on the flanks will necessarily limit use of the Full backs. Can the said wingers be trained to adapt to the Wengerball scheme, over and above the option of wide play is the question.
I don’t know.
As it stands we completely lack width and get stifled down the middle with the opposition crowding out the central channel.
We’ll see.
By: Karthic on June 5, 2007
at 10:16 am
I don’t really follow the argument that we need Sagna as cover for Eboue going to the ANC and the possibility that Hoyte might be injured at the same time. Buying cover for one month doesn’t make sense especially when Gallas provides cover for both full back positions.
I notice that Sagnas agent has announced his players desire to play in the premiership and what better way for a french player to announce his availability than to give the impression that Arsenal are interested.
By: Amos on June 5, 2007
at 10:21 am
I certainly wouldn’t put Reyes down but he wasn’t really the player everyone wants, ie a winger who scores lots of goals. My point was are we going to find that player.
Eboue has proved he can defend against the best , eg Ronaldo, but why does he get lax so often against the lesser mortals? Let’s hope he can pull it all together.
When we say we lack width I am not sure it is that or a lack of that dynamic tempo to create the space to open up the flanks,or the middle come to that. This is particularly true when we we come up against the teams that “park the bus”.
I think what we lack is that aggresion to creat the remorsless tempo that Man U had last season & we had in our best years. Ronaldo & Giggs didn’t play as pure wingers although they obviously utilised the flanks.
We have to up the pace of our play from the off, who can help us do that?
By: Flint McCullough on June 5, 2007
at 10:49 am
Flint
Perhaps the question should be, does that player exist? Ronaldo at United had a good season but the goals tally is not yet consistent. There’s no doubt he can supply but will he get the same in the future on a *consistent* basis?
You are right about the aggression which is why I would put Eboue into the right hand side slot; a ‘natural’ tackler will be there defensively from which the attacking pressure builds. Hleb is a different kettle of fish; not naturally a wide player but more of a dribbler. One thing that Giggs & Ronaldo do is play more directly. Too often, Arsenal cut inside when going outside might be a better option, beating one man and taking him out of the play forces another to move out of their expected defensive position, creating space for others to move into.
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 5, 2007
at 12:48 pm
Flint,
Fair point regarding Eboue Vs Ronaldo.
I just feel he’s tempermentally more attack minded, not particularly enjoying the discipline sound defending demands.
I therefore can’t help think that we’d get more out of the lad by letting him free to indulge his attacking flair. Atleast we’ll have cover for his defensive errors.
You raise an interesting point regarding tempo; I do feel however, that the ability to switch play to, and work, the flanks at pace, something we lacked, will make it difficult for teams relying on that old Russian tactic: defending in numbers. Hleb and Rosicky aren’t going to provide that option, and I’m not sure relying exclusively on the full backs to work the wings is going to be sufficient.
Yogi is right to point out that both Ronaldo and Giggs did offer pace on the flanks, and directness, as a ready option, when not playing in the full backs. That extra option is to me the difference. It stretches the opposing defence out inexorably.
As for tempo, neither Carrick nor Scholes provided Man.Utd with that commodity; it was Giggs and Ronaldo, backed up by Neville and Evra, who were almost entirely responsible for the pace and movement. Man Utd looked much less potent when Heinze was used at left back.
By: Karthic on June 5, 2007
at 4:03 pm
I think Eboue in midfield will only be an occasional experiment when needs must. He has shown that when he puts his mind to it he can defend well against the best (see Ronaldo and the CL run). Also, Hleb and Eboue had a great partnership going before last season but this was disrupted by Eboue’s injuries and Hleb’s loss of confidence towards the end of the season. If they could re-discover and build on that partnership we could find the joy on the right hand side that we used to have on the left.
We don’t necessarily need an out an out winger, but certainly a natural wide midfield player to vary tactics wouldn’t be a bad thing. Also, why isn’t anyone talking about Walcott’s possible role next season? Arsene wants to use him on the wings in order to develop his skills – if it comes off he could also offer something different. He made a few good assists from wide positions before the shoulder injury.
By: Passenal on June 5, 2007
at 4:45 pm
My proposal is this. Let Eboue and Theo battle it out at RM and hand over RB to Hoyte and Gilbert to fight for supremacy. Buy a utility defender who can play LB and CB to support Clichy in case of injury and fill in for kolo when absent. The defender i have in mind is Curties Davies, up and coming strong and pacy England under 21 defender with a good future; we can get him for 7+ now that WBA won’t be in the premiership. Last season, WBA rejected our bid for 6+.
Eboue will be great at RM, remember his performance at the same position when we played at WHL, then most refreshingly his overlapping work against CFC at Emirates and against MANU. I’m told his natural position is Rm so let’s allow him to grow there. Hleb can’t cut it at it RM, its enough, he should fight it out at CM with all the others. We can get a cheaper hard working guy for LM and here my pick is Babel, gradually he is scoring goals and at AFC he will get more chance to score goals. He is pacy and strong and hugs the wing, he at times plays as a striker with same effect. So actually, we need to do reorganisation and buy only two players which won’t cost more than 15+ and we will be fighting for the title. It’s unfortunate Flamini don’t want to play at LB, he could have had a future with AFC instead of insisting on being played at CM. I also believe Senderos should move on, personally I think he has hit the wall in terms of development, he is just not AFC quality. It’s my opinion as a die-hard, apprehensive Arsenal fan for life.
By: Ekow Manso-Howard on June 5, 2007
at 8:31 pm
Ekow
Do we need to buy a ‘utlity defender’? Toure, Hoyte and Djourou can cover RB / CB whilst Gallas can cover CB / LB, Traore appears to be good cover at LB so it seems to me that we are pretty well served defensively.
YW
By: Yogi's Warrior on June 5, 2007
at 10:27 pm
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at 11:58 pm
Interesting opinions all round from you guys. I thought I’d have my say on the RB situation as well.
I think that in theory the idea to push Eboue forward into the midfield is a good one – but in practice it probably wouldn’t work. The key to Arsenal’s play on the flanks is to provide support to the more central side-midfielders (like Ljungberg and Pires back in the day) and overlap when required to deliver balls into the box.
For this to occur you need extremely pacy, fit and determined wing-backs which I believe we have in Clichy and Eboue. Eboue’s temperament aside, he would not work as a wide midfielder because he would constantly be moving away from goal to receive the ball (much like a striker) which is not his strength. When Eboue looks dangerous as an attacker is when he gets to receive the ball facing the goal and run straight towards the goal or down the flank.
I just think playing Eboue as a right midfielder – much as I would like it to – won’t work.
By: Spanish Fry on June 6, 2007
at 4:21 am