Yet again the media is focussing on the youth aspect of the win over Tottenham, ignoring the fact that of the sixteen involved, only Almunia, Traore, Denilson, Walcott, Poom, Diaby and Aliadiere can be considered to be players who are not first team regulars. Even then, Denilson, Walcott and Aliadiere feature on the bench frequently, on their own or in some combination of the three. As the tournament has progressed, Arsene has introduced more experience as the situation has required. There is no doubt that he would have preferred not to play Adebayor last night and only did so because of Julio Baptista’s injury on Sunday.
All of which puts the media frenzy into perspective. The players involved in this run have done well so far and recorded some impressive wins against Premiership opposition, particularly on their travels. To have come away from Anfield, Goodison Park and White Hart Lane with two wins and a draw would have pleased Arsene immensely in a Premiership season, let alone in a cup run. It highlights the strength in depth of the squad for one – off ties, something upon which experience can be laid to improve the team without needing to dip into the transfer market every time a window opens. This factory of youth talent will no doubt be continually added to but is not something that can be taken for granted.
But has that particular run come to its natural conclusion with reaching the final? Should Arsene now foresake those players who have participated in the run, replacing them with experience for the final? The first issue to consider is the level of the opposition. It may seem that I am denigrating the abilities of the players or their opponents in the next sentences but I am not. Well, not on purpose anyway. In fairness to the team(s) Arsene has put out, it is really only Liverpool who have not played their full starting XI. Even then, Benitez put out a squad similar to Arsene’s in that it contained a mix of first teamers, fringe players and youth. It just so happens that the Arsenal squad proved to have more depth and fundamentally, better players. WBA, Tottenham and Everton all put out what could be classed as strong or complete first team line-ups.
However Chelsea are a different matter. They have been undeniably the most consistent team in the Premiership over the past two and half seasons. Obviously that has been influenced by their immense spending power but that is not the question here. Where they have been found lacking is in the absence of defensive cover, a lack of adaptability that Arsene was able to cajole, con or bully out of the players over the past eighteen months as and when injury required. As an opponent, they are still a step up from their predecessors this season and this, I believe, is where Arsene’s decision must be based, what is the best of their development?
That premise seems to be a contradiction with the earlier comments about the number of “regulars” who have been involved in this Cup run, particularly for the Quarter and Semi Finals. The issue to me is in the combination of inexperienced players used and whether Arsene can afford to risk this system in the Final, when mistakes will be punished. For example, if you look at Wednesday night’s midfield, the only experienced player fielded was Gilberto Silva; it is a brave man who would opt to put Denilson, Walcott and Diaby in there to lock horns with Lampard, Ballack, Essien and Makelele or whichever four Chelsea choose to field. Whilst there is little doubt that these players can make the grade, at the moment I would suggest it is one step too far for them all to play from the start. In the centre, a pairing of Gilberto and Fabregas for example would contain more nous than any of the others.
The other area Arsene will need to address is whether Jeremie Aliadiere is the right forward to lead the line in that match? My view is that he would not trouble Terry and Carvalho too much whereas a combination of Adebayor and Baptista would, on paper, appear to be better suited to find the net. I do not expect Thierry Henry to start the Final but I believe he will be on the bench, the experience that Arsene mentioned before the Tottenham match being available if it is required. There is a school of thought that suggests that if Henry is available, he is the single strongest goal threat that the club has, particularly in the absence of Robin van Persie.
The key question though could well be how important Arsene views this trophy. Qualifying for the Final has guaranteed a UEFA Cup place unless Chelsea have an unprecedented collapse of spectacular proportions, their Champions League spot not assured but not far from it. My own view is that once you get to a Semi-Final, all competitions become important and therefore worth winning. Whether Arsene shares that view is unknown but given his winning mentality, I would be surprised if he even thought differently from the moment the Club entered a competition. Much I suspect will depend, for both teams, on the first leg of their Champions League matches, which take place the midweek before the Final. A bad result or poor performance may lead to a managerial rethink. The good thing about the Final is that at present, there are no fixtures directly afterwards, the week being set aside for FA Cup Replays, I believe.
A final thought; is there an obligation upon Arsene to field his strongest side as there is silverware at stake? I believe there is but it is not a Final that can be looked at in isolation, consideration needs to be given to the state of injuries in the squad and progress in other competitions. It is something for him to cogitate on over the next three weeks although I am sure he is more concerned with Middlesbrough on Saturday than anything else.























Worth nothing that Arsene has said pointedly that anyone who has not played in any Carling Cup matches will NOT feature in the Final — which leaves out Henry and Lehmann.
Can’t remember if Gallas played in one match earlier while working on fitness but don’t think so. Therefore even if he’s fit, theoretically he couldn’t play, either, which obviously he’d love v Chelsea.
Don’t believe there’s anyone else playing regularly who hasn’t gotten into a Carling Cup game — Hleb, maybe? Oh, and Freddie, I guess, though who knows when he’ll ever play.
It almost sounded as though AW made that statement specifically to exclude Henry, either as a starter or even on the bench.
Le Gaffer has given himself an out, however, talking about waiting to see who might be nursing injuries at the time of the Final.
Still, he seems pretty intent on excluding TH — maybe to prove a point. He’s been a few jumps ahead of the pack before, so who knows?
By: California Stave on February 2, 2007
at 7:03 am
When will you realise, Adebeyour is re active not pro active
By: terry on February 2, 2007
at 7:26 am
The starting 11 on Wednesday was:
Almunia – not first choice
Hoyte – not first Choice
Kolo – first choice
Senderos – not first choice
Traore – not first choice
Walcott – not first choice
Denilson – not first choice
Bert – first choice
Diaby – not first choice
Aliadiare – not first choice
Adebeyor – debatable
So, if Ade is included as a first team player, we had 3 first teamers out there, that means that, whether you refer to them as youngsters or not, it was largely our reserves or second team out there with a sprinkling of seniors to provide a guiding hand.
AW has always played this competition like that, using some seniors coming back from injury sometimes, and one or two wise hands to hold it all together.
AW has very emphatically said that the youngsters have earned their place in the final, and that they will get to play.
I can’t see him going back on his word.
He will no doubt do what he has also done on numerous occassions, and that is to have one or two seniors on the bench to bring in if needs be.
I think there is a nervousness running around Gooner circles (and it has been since before the Pool games in this comp), that the kids might not be good enough to do it.
Clearly AW has known better, and thank heavens he hasn’t fallen into that nervous twitching reaction so far.
I have seen so many Gooners suggesting that “yes, the youngsters/reserves have done well, but if we want to win the trophy then we must be prepared to……”.
It’s all rubbish.
The players that have got us into the final deserve to have their final, that’s it, end of story, win or lose.
To do otherwise would be a massive and complete betrayal of their trust, the club, and everything AW has built up and is developing for the future of this club.
Playing these youngsters in the final is a massive statement to the footballing world that talented kids who come to Arsenal will be given opportunity on the big stage, and will showcase the club to the world as the destination of choice for young footballers from all over the world.
It’s far more important in temrs of the long term growth and survival of the club than to “win” a trophy that everyone was deriding not so long ago.
In fact, it could be said that AW’s approach to this competition has revitalised it. Arsenal fans are by far the most interested set of spectators from the EPL clubs as far as this competition goes, and that’s entirely down to what it represents for us.
To fall into the trap of wimping out and “going” for a trophy would leave a bad taste in everyone’s mouths, whether we won it or not.
I have faith that AW has bigger balls than that, and we will see our youngsters deservedly getting their just reward for their efforts.
Only AW believed in them enough to get this far when many thought they would fall far earlier on the journey.
Win or lose, the youngsters must play. Anything else would be cowardly and a betrayal of the club.
It would shame us in the eyes of the footballing world, and do immeasurable damage to our prospects of being the destination of choice for young footballing talent.
By: Mike on February 2, 2007
at 8:00 am
It doesn’t matter what team Arsene selects for the final, I think Arsenal can win either way.
The Chelsea players will have the pressure on them.
Arsene will play a mix of youth and Experience.
I think he will play (if not injured):
Almunia
Hoyte, Touré, Senderos, Traore
Walcott, Gilberto, Fabregas, Denìlson
Baptista, Adebayor
On the bench:
Poom, Clichy, Rosicky, Diaby, Aliadiere
By: Ray Gooner on February 2, 2007
at 8:03 am
If everyone is fit, I would expect to see:
————Almunia————–
Hoyte—Djourou—Senderos—Traore
Walcott—Bert–Denilson—Diaby
——Aliadiare—Baptista——
Bench
Poom, Kolo, Rosicky, Aliadiare, Clichy
By: Mike on February 2, 2007
at 8:13 am
Mike
I disagree about the premise that Adebayor is not first choice; I think he has played himself into that spot. The point was that he, Senderos and Hoyte are first team regulars on their own merit or due to injury of others.
Sorry but I don’t follow how changing a team is a betrayal of the club? There is more compelling argument to say that it is a betrayal of the club if he does not pick his strongest available side for a domestic cup final.
Following on from your argument, you seem to believe that Aliadiere is capable of causing Chelsea problems? Harsh as it may be in some people’s eyes, Arsene was ready to offload him in the transfer window and he is still only at the club because of injury to others.
Ray is pretty much there given the current spate of injuries but I still think he will put Henry on the bench. Diaby may not be fit enough for the Final given that he has a knee injury though, leaving a gap to be filled – possibly with Flamini (another first team regular)
Whilst it may be wonderful to give the young players all a game, how damaging would it be if they suffered a heavy defeat? They are not invincible as they are being portrayed and neither are they fragile, merely youthful. Without Fabregas and Gilberto (or an equivalent) in the mix, midfield will be overrun.
I don’t think changing the team is going to do any harm at all in the clubs reputation as the destination of choice for youth. The compelling reason for players coming here is that they know if they are good enough they can knock on the first team door; if they are not, they will be considered of sufficiently good quality to go on and have a good professional career. In England alone there are over 50 former Arsenal trainees who play for other clubs; abroad there will be more. That says more about why players come here than the chance to play in the Carling Cup.
By: Yogi's Warrior on February 2, 2007
at 8:22 am
The team that got us there should play its as simple as that. If we had been knocked out by Liverpool we would have all said “Oh well it was only the kids and the Mickey Mouse cup.” Well to these young and brilliant Arsenal players It has been the highlight of their careers so far. They deserve the right to contest the final for which they have fought blood sweat and tears for. I also believe they will be good enough to produce a competent display against the Russians. Win or lose we should all get behind them and show we have faith in them I for one am very proud of what they have done and truly believe that we have a great future and some of the best new players in the world so let them play.
By: Drew on February 2, 2007
at 8:41 am
Who plays will depend on three factors:
1. Who is unavailable through injury (or just coming back from injury)
2. Whether we beat bolton and have to play in the FAC 5th round the Saturday before.
3. How we get on in the first leg of the CL game against PSV.
In any case I would expect TH14 to be on the bench (unless there are no other fit strikers).
Also it will be interesting to see what sort of team chelsea put out. If I were the special-needs one and I really wanted to keep my job, I would make sure the prem and CL get priority. The Carling cup will not save him from the axe.
By: MingeBag on February 2, 2007
at 9:28 am
Mike,
Everything you’ve said is absolutely spot on. The kids have got us to the final and deserve their big day. One of the best things about this season is the way Arsene has thrown out the “Arsenal are a one man team” tag. Thierry, much as we still love him, has almost been a peripheral figure and there are any number of other players being talked about.
The term is too easily bandied-about, but I’ll say it again anyway – Wenger is a genius.
Angelo
By: Angelo on February 2, 2007
at 9:46 am
I agree with Mike. …and also RvP is first choice when he is not injured. I don’t believe that Adebayor is effective enough to have changed that…so for the sake of this discussion you could say ‘not first choice’.
By: Frank on February 2, 2007
at 9:47 am
The use of the term First Choice is probably irrelevant these days in any case with squad systems. I would suggest that only Toure, Gilberto, Fabregas and Henry are guaranteed a start if they are fit and ready for action.
By: Yogi's Warrior on February 2, 2007
at 10:10 am
OK. Then the whole discussion is irrelevant.
By: Frank on February 2, 2007
at 11:02 am
How many subs can be on the bench for a cup final. Is it more than the usual 5 ? is it 7 ? or am i just mental ? Its 7 for champs league so maybe thats what im thinking about. Going by what le boss has said, those that hasnt played so far in the carling cup, wont it would seem to suggest that its just Lehman and Henry who wont.
Squad of 16(5 subs)
* Manuel Almunia
* Kolo Toure
* Justin Hoyte
* Philippe Senderos
* Armand Traore
* Abou Diaby
* Alexander Hleb
* Mathieu Flamini
* Denilson
* Francesc Fabregas
* Julio Baptista
* Theo Walcott
* Jeremie Aliadiere
* Emmanuel Eboue
* Mart Poom
* Mark Randall
By: DeiseGooner on February 2, 2007
at 11:57 am
These lads deserve credit for fantastic performances.
By: amiripz on February 2, 2007
at 12:00 pm
Depends on your viewpoint – Mike for example strongly believes that the only honourable thing for the club to do is to continue with the mix of youth and experience whereas I err on the side of more experience, primarily because the inexperienced players would find Chelsea too much, particularly in midfield if they played en masse.
Mingebag – Mourinho is out at the end of the season anyway if you believe the papers so his priority is probably agreeing terms with Real Madrid
By: Yogi's Warrior on February 2, 2007
at 12:19 pm
Deise – Hleb is not due back until March according to physioroom.com whilst I suspect Rosicky is ahead of Randall. Which leaves a gap which could be for Adebayor, much will depend on the PSV game and whether or not we are still in the FA Cup and needing a replay.
By: Yogi's Warrior on February 2, 2007
at 12:22 pm